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[V1 Rotate]

Actually quite well. My wages have gone up about 40% since we ratified the CBA four years ago. One of my good buddie's went up more than that over that same period. Also I can now go to work and not have to worry that I'll be called on the carpet if I make one little mistake, or piss off the wrong manager. I can call fatigue and tell them what time I'm willing to come back to work the next day without any repercussions. I know what my duty on time is for each work day and no one tries to call me in the middle of the night to make me start early. If I have a problem that I can't solve myself with a manager (rarely happens), I can call the steward on duty 24/7 and he will intervene on my behalf to help sort it out. At the end of the day I know my work rules, job protections and wages are all in writing, with an enforcement mechanism in place. I know my union is working hard every day to protect me and my fellow pilots and to enforce our contract so nothing changes at the whim of management like it so often did in the past.



That's like saying you'd file to an airport that's forecast to be below minimums, without an alternate within your fuel range and then say to your co-pilot, "Hey we'll deal with it when we get there."



But I'm not wrong, I've been working at this company for 14 years and I know exactly what our collective senior management is capable of. This is all just business for them. They'd cut you in a heartbeat right now if they didn't need something from you.

We don't want you to fail. We want all of us to succeed together, because that's the only way it can happen in this situation. We are very afraid that you've made up your minds, based of information fed to you by your managers, without the benefit of having taken the time, or making an effort to get the other side of the story. We are also afraid that when the critical moment arrives you will have just kept your heads down, failed to get the information you needed to make an informed decision, and will do just as you said, "roll the dice on the status quo".

Then, after you've given up all the leverage you currently hold, which stems from the fact that KR needs your no vote, he cuts your pay, changes your schedules and otherwise ruins your work life and we will be along for the ride with you. I wonder how long it will take for him to purge the ranks of the FO pilots of all those who had the courage to stand against him in the past.

What a happy bunch we will all be! We few, we lucky few, we... Oh never mind.

Everything that you described that's in your CBA we have here, too. Just because we don't have a union CBA doesn't mean we're just some two bit 135 operator tied to pagers 24/7. In my years at two different airlines, both with an ALPA CBA, the work rules and protections that we have here are better than we had there. Flexjet has never called me on an off day but the airlines did. And if you answered, you were hosed. I get that you guys have been through a lot and I hate it for you all. Another fact is that we all didn't just make up our minds last September when the purchase announced. Everyone here has been here plenty long enough and/or had previous experience prior to Flexjet that I believe most everyone already had an opinion on the matter. To say that we need to be informed isn't accurate. Just because we differ in opinion doesn't mean we need to be informed. Maybe we are informed and that's why we hold the opinions that we do. And if anyone isn't "informed" after reading nearly a thousand posts on this thread then you might as well give it up. I'm not done arguing for my point of view but I am done trying to convince the other side. With any luck, we'll never merge with one another and we can just stay out of each other's hair. Because if the rest of the FLOPs pilots behave in this manner in the cockpit, I think I'll just pass.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Pass on what? Seriously hoping we don't combine? Get a reality check V1. I wish I had video of the vernacious calls from scheduling starting at 3:00 am and continuing throughout the night. This is what we dealt with precontract. This is was master Kenny wants to go back to. Personally I have taken up a new hobby at the local community college called welding. I hope to someday make it up to a place called Bakken and make the big bucks for some guy they call YIP.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

With any luck, we'll never merge with one another and we can just stay out of each other's hair. Because if the rest of the FLOPs pilots behave in this manner in the cockpit, I think I'll just pass.

You can't judge most FO pilots by the jokers on here.

Most of them are very professional and aren't out to get the FJ pilots.

Then you have these guys..............I'll pass also.

 

[slowtation capt]

You can't judge most FO pilots by the jokers on here.

Most of them are very professional and aren't out to get the FJ pilots.

Then you have these guys..............I'll pass also.

Can say the same exact thing about you.

 

[el raton]

Pass on what? Seriously hoping we don't combine? Get a reality check V1. I wish I had video of the vernacious calls from scheduling starting at 3:00 am and continuing throughout the night. This is what we dealt with precontract. This is was master Kenny wants to go back to. Personally I have taken up a new hobby at the local community college called welding. I hope to someday make it up to a place called Bakken and make the big bucks for some guy they call YIP.

That hasn't happened at flex in over 6 years, long before you got your lower than industry standard contract.

I will say that we haven't got a raise in over 5 years, and it's due to your albatross of a contract holding us all down.

 

[slowtation capt]

I will say that we haven't got a raise in over 5 years, and it's due to your albatross of a contract holding us all down.

You mean it hasn't happened because nobody else has negotiated a new payscale in over 5 yrs. If NetJet's gets a contract tomorrow, will you management/ownership match it again?

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

You mean it hasn't happened because nobody else has negotiated a new payscale in over 5 yrs. If NetJet's gets a contract tomorrow, will you management/ownership match it again?

I bet we have a better chance than you do.

They can just up our pay.

Yours has to be negotiated, usually in exchange for something else.

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Can say the same exact thing about you.

I think you would enjoy swinging gear for me.

Heck, you might even get to fly a few empty legs.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Tee dubbya eh I bet one 8 day tour with that flight attendant bitch stanza and you would join our union.

 

[jetwash]

I bet we have a better chance than you do.

They can just up our pay.

Yours has to be negotiated, usually in exchange for something else.

Or they can just drop yours without negotiating anything.

 

[slowtation capt]

I think you would enjoy swinging gear for me.

Heck, you might even get to fly a few empty legs.

I'll even buy you dinner and breakfast and lunch, on my Ricci meal plan.

 

[slowtation capt]

I think you would enjoy swinging gear for me.
Heck, you might even get to fly a few empty legs.

So...Who's the one making threats about jobs

Some of their pilots (as they have posted on FI) want to use this to take our jobs.

 

[slowtation capt]

I bet we have a better chance than you do.

They can just up our pay.

Yours has to be negotiated, usually in exchange for something else.

Like domicles for a new schedule?

 

[FR8DOG777]

That hasn't happened at flex in over 6 years, long before you got your lower than industry standard contract.

I will say that we haven't got a raise in over 5 years, and it's due to your albatross of a contract holding us all down.

Really? I am at a loss for words. I will call your manhood on the line and suggest you join the fray. What have you done in all your years as a professional aviator to further your profession? In 99 and 2000 I made more than netjets captains. I voted for the union there because I could see thru the bs. Unfortunately we didn't make it then and paid a heavy price. Just because you make a lot of money now doesn't mean you can sustain it. Look at the court documents of Kenny from the past. My bet is this union crucifixion drive is occupying most of his time as well. But check you seem to know his m.o. better than us. Wake up

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

Like domicles for a new schedule?

That negotiation was suggested that FJ would add more domiciles as long as crews at less efficiant places work longer rotations. Pay was not adjusted.

Strike 1

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

I'll even buy you dinner and breakfast and lunch, on my Ricci meal plan.

Is that guaranteed in your contract?

 

[FR8DOG777]

Read the body language and check your gut instincts. For those that saw the Kenny show in person there was a reason he kept licking his lips and wiping his chops. He wasn't nervous about being in front of you..........he was nervous about lying. Please wake up!

 

[TWA 2 ASA FO]

So...Who's the one making threats about jobs

Not making any threats, just making a joke.

The chances of you and I every sharing a cockpit are thankfully very slim.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Pass on what? Seriously hoping we don't combine? Get a reality check V1. I wish I had video of the vernacious calls from scheduling starting at 3:00 am and continuing throughout the night. This is what we dealt with precontract. This is was master Kenny wants to go back to. Personally I have taken up a new hobby at the local community college called welding. I hope to someday make it up to a place called Bakken and make the big bucks for some guy they call YIP.

I am in agreement with you that we will probably eventually be one list. Video of a phone call? I assume you meant "audio." I hope your welding gig pans out sooner rather than later.

I'll even buy you dinner and breakfast and lunch, on my Ricci meal plan.

No thanks.

 

[ProFracPilot]

That negotiation was suggested that FJ would add more domiciles as long as crews at less efficiant places work longer rotations. Pay was not adjusted.



Strike 1

Of course pay wasn't adjusted. You change schedules, you work more days at the same pay. But your daily rate is less.