FlexJet / Flight Options / SkyJet

[el raton]

I guess you don't remember a few years back when FLEX fired a bunch out of seniority. It happened. And your comment about "deserving to be fired", somebody might deserve to be fired as long as its not you. FLOPS fired 70 and FLEX fired a few a while back

"A few years back"?? What are you talking about dime line? The only time flex "fired" out of seniority was just after 9-11.

You're not helping your case for the teamsters with this kind of bs dime line.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Why did they "fire " pilots ? That's right. No reason needed when you are at will.

 

[dime line]

"A few years back"?? What are you talking about dime line? The only time flex "fired" out of seniority was just after 9-11.

You're not helping your case for the teamsters with this kind of bs dime line.

You just made my point, it was out of seniority, what if you were one of the pilots out of seniority who was fired. So please what kind of BS are you talking about?

 

[el raton]

You just made my point, it was out of seniority, what if you were one of the pilots out of seniority who was fired. So please what kind of BS are you talking about?

That was 13 years ago. Since then all furloughs have been in order of seniority.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Now who is making those decisions?

 

[dime line]

That was 13 years ago. Since then all furloughs have been in order of seniority.

So again tell that statement to one of the furlough guys of 13 years ago. And I guess being that it was 13 years ago that makes it alright hu?

 

[V1 Rotate]

So again tell that statement to one of the furlough guys of 13 years ago. And I guess being that it was 13 years ago that makes it alright hu?

It doesn't make it allright but the fact that it has been done correctly in inverse seniority the past three times and the fact that you conveniently left that part out of your original post and then insinuated that this happened recently, perhaps under the current management, falls in the category of spreading propaganda.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Furlough? Do you have recall rights at Flex?

 

[warlord19]

Dime, Et Al, you are not helping your “cause” by posting BS you know nothing about. The one out-of-order firing was made because that pilot got to be buddies with an owner and told the owner he was the greatest pilot at Flex and that he needed to request him whenever he needed to fly. I guess Dispatch had to go thru the motions of doing that for a while…why this pilot wasn’t fired on the spot for doing something that stupid is beyond me, but he was eventually let go after 9-11. That owner left Flex, bought his own plane, and hired Flex’s greatest pilot. I suppose you union goobers would have given him an elevated position on your MEC, but you can’t run a business very long with that kind of idiocy.
WL

 

[gret]

Dime, Et Al, you are not helping your ?cause? by posting BS you know nothing about. The one out-of-order firing was made because that pilot got to be buddies with an owner and told the owner he was the greatest pilot at Flex and that he needed to request him whenever he needed to fly. I guess Dispatch had to go thru the motions of doing that for a while?why this pilot wasn?t fired on the spot for doing something that stupid is beyond me, but he was eventually let go after 9-11. That owner left Flex, bought his own plane, and hired Flex?s greatest pilot. I suppose you union goobers would have given him an elevated position on your MEC, but you can?t run a business very long with that kind of idiocy.
WL

...and that's the rest of the story...

Good post and thanks for the info.

 

[el raton]

Now I know my vote will be 'no' when that time comes.

 

[The Architect]

Decision's Made

Now I know my vote will be 'no' when that time comes.

Why would anyone that has the opportunity to decide on the conditions of their work rules make a definite decision so early?

The terms of fences haven't been negotiated yet.
The pilot seniority list integration hasn't been negotiated yet.
The application to the NMB for a single carrier determination hasn't been filed yet.
The company's final departmental and aircraft realignment haven't been determined.

Yet, some individuals have already decided on their "vote" prior to seeing everything that will be on the table.

Does that make sense?

 

[Club ORD FO]

Yes some people are anti union based on principle alone. But I do find it odd that no pro union flex pilots are on here banging the drums and saying "finally now is our chance!" It just seems like nobody is excited about the idea. I know some pilots who have been pro union in the past but they are just not pro union when it comes to options and the 1108. I literally don't know of one person who has said they are looking forward to voting yes. I think it has been implied that if we vote no and the union is pushed out, we can somewhat remain separate. That option is much more appealing. Either way it turns out is a risk for us. Your 100+ on furlough is obviously an issue, we don't want our guys to lose jobs. We have no idea what the options MEC has in mind for that.

 

[jetwash]

I think it has been implied that if we vote no and the union is pushed out, we can somewhat remain separate. That option is much more appealing. .

Can you expand on this statement .
Where has this been coming from ? Flex/ Flight Options management? Yammer?

You do realize that it was not the Flight Options pilots who are pushing for this integration and that is Kenn himself that wants it. The union is only negotiating how the process will be handled to protect the interests of the Flight options pilots. It was Kenn's decision and the union is reacting to it. We have no say in the business decision.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

Spare us all the drama. No one here is being intimidated. If anything, the intimidation comes from the 1108 pushers.

 

[el raton]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

"Intimidation"? Would you please give us an example of what forms of intimidation we're experiencing at flex?

 

[Seahawk]

Yes Club, you are right about there not being any Flex pilots talking about the union because they live in an environment of intimidation.

You are absolutely a nut case and need treatment! Delusional schizophrenic or whatever you are? Flexjet has been brought down to near catastrophic conditions many times and we have come out of it. Why? the crews were united and Bombardier listened. We could of brought the house down many times, but we worked it out. Yeah, it was brutal at times, but changes were made and we did it without a union. What does that say?
You have the opportunity to make your store front the greatest in the industry. I understand the negative work culture you lived under and that will go away. Give the new leadership a chance. If the house of cards are threatened to come down again, we can work it out together.

Look, I will tell you this, Ricci doesn't run Flexjet, get a handle on that. We can bring the house down pretty quickly if things go the other way. We have been down that road many times. DW and JW are your best friends. Too bad you cant talk to em.
There is no intimidation. It's your call.
Until then it"s business as usual.

 

[jetwash]

Look, I will tell you this, Ricci doesn't run Flexjet, get a handle on that..

:laugh:
:beer:

That will become a classic one day

:laugh:

Thank you :laugh:

 

[gret]

Why would anyone that has the opportunity to decide on the conditions of their work rules make a definite decision so early?

The terms of fences haven't been negotiated yet.
The pilot seniority list integration hasn't been negotiated yet.
The application to the NMB for a single carrier determination hasn't been filed yet.
The company's final departmental and aircraft realignment haven't been determined.

Yet, some individuals have already decided on their "vote" prior to seeing everything that will be on the table.

Does that make sense?

Geez...it seems all the pro union people already have decided...and trying to get everyone else to agree with them...