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It's like the most recent RIF at Flex never happened. You know, the one that dropped out of the blue while mysteriously requiring our bonuses, and laying off crewmembers, some just recently recalled, because our last president couldn't account for all of the money. Granted, that little fiasco helped usher in DW, but she's not the ultimate shot caller anymore. So let's put to bed this nonsense that Flex would never cut you loose without cause. Except in the case of accounting errors. Or not recall you if they didn't care for you.
 
Squawk you do not lose control of a company with a union. Lol. That's comical. And yes I would be fine with my employees unionizing if that's what they felt was the best fit for them and I would work side by side with there represention for the best deal for them and my company. Fairly, honestly, and in good faith. Something ricci has no clue about. But read his book. He will tell a different story. All lies


This is why you dont own a business
 
LOL. Are you serious Rupert???? Theres no fairness and honesty in anyone that owns a business. Are you KR BJ boy??? Is this montie or kalic???
 
You hit the nail on the head, except for one small caveat. HE LOST CONTROL OF THE EMPLOYEES, NOT THE COMPANY! There is a huge difference there. It has always been about a power struggle and PAY! For those fence sitters criticizing the union ask yourself two questions. Did you think we would actually negotiate an industry leading contract on the first go around? Because if we had that would have been an industry first. The second is, if our work rules suck so bad then why is uncle expending every ounce of energy to see its demise?

It's nice to see some decent debate on here for a change, both sides making some good points. I see one glaring flaw in your thread, though. You speak of the Options contract as though it actually has scope protection. It does not. As they say on the airline side, scope is everything when it comes to a contract. The Options pilots are living proof that this is true, and it's only going to get worse.

So Kenn says he's combining the lists? Cui bono, to whose benefit? How would a gamble that might cost him a combined, unionized pilot force possibly pay for him? Any combination would have to be negotiated with 1108, and no decert vote involving the Flex pilots could take place until after such merger is complete, with no guarantee that it goes his way. Kenn may see a combined list in the future, just as he's long seen a large cabin G-fleet at Options, and has said so at numerous employee meetings. How many are still holding their breath for that bid?

The current contract with 1108 allows Flex pilots to fly Options trips, as well as their own card trips, on the FO certificate as brand partners. They just need to be trained to the FO 135 program. Management functions can be shared behind the scenes, but the companies can still be separate in name to allow two pilot lists. The 1108 contract, with 4.0 staffing per sold airplane, allows him to dwindle the current FO seniority list down a lot more, to well below 200 pilots. These can't cover all the Options trips, but Flex pilots can take care of those. That minor 'brand partner' thingy that 1108 let into scope, again. Meanwhile, the crappy pay for the remaining FO pilots stays in place, not until the contract expires, but thanks to RLA 'status quo,' until a new contract is ratified, which could take years.

Once the FO group is smaller, with maybe 90 disgruntled union supporters left, and the Flex group has grown through their own business and picking up FO lift, then Kenn can merge the groups. If he hasn't already driven a successful decert vote on the FO side by then (just look at the happy Flex pilots and what you could have with no union), he then simply tells the Flex group the sad news that their pay and work rules will, by law, be set to the FO contract upon the merger - until they can drive a decert vote, at which time he can give them back what they lose. Of course, once the decert is complete, he's free to set pay and rules to where he really believes they should be. Both groups are being played, and aren't in much of a position to stop it.
 
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Unions - the truth

Let me let you in on a little know business fact. Depending upon the union and the contract (this is the big item), many business owners like unions. They will never, ever, ever, ever, ever admit it to anyone other than their most trusted aides. Unions give management a certain amount of predictability, stability and rules ? and predictability and stability is extremely important in preparing for the future (just like government regulation ? whether good and bad as long as it is stable and predictable it can be dealt with). Most of the animosity, rhetoric, etc. is to set the stage for negotiations and then the next negotiation. Don?t get me wrong ? they don?t love unions ? but they are not as hated as thought. Add to this that many union officials and negotiators want to display and enhance the animosity and hatred, because then when they get you something it really looks like they ?earned it? for you and that helps perpetuate their existence. So company wins, unions negotiators/officials win, and the losers in this charade are ???

(All of this assumes it is not a very adversarial relationship between management and the union, threats of physical violence, etc. I am not talking about that level).
 
They may not like unions but they like a lot of the rules that govern unions, like the RLA.
Back when NJA's salaries were a joke, management could pretend to be sympathetic as things dragged on and said: "sure wish I could pay what you're worth, but I can't; my hands are tied"
 
Hey Options pilots, can you tell Mr. Engine Plug that unless invited, stay out of our training center and stop leaving IBT's propaganda as well.
 
Hey Options pilots, can you tell Mr. Engine Plug that unless invited, stay out of our training center and stop leaving IBT's propaganda as well.

You may want to check that. It ain't IBT...
 
Hey Options pilots, can you tell Mr. Engine Plug that unless invited, stay out of our training center and stop leaving IBT's propaganda as well.

You may want to check that. It ain't IBT...

Agreed (except for the IBT part). Like someone on Yammer said, it's a bit intrusive and assumes we want to be one company. I assure you, that is not the general concern consensus among the pilot group.
 
Hey Options pilots, can you tell Mr. Engine Plug that unless invited, stay out of our training center and stop leaving IBT's propaganda as well.

Please explain this further?? Is he coming over the Bombardier side of Simu and trying to push his and his merry band of idiot followers in-house joke a union on you guys.

Engine Plug is far from the IBT, he is all for himself and nobody else. Remember these guys that are "steering" do not even want to run the in-house. So think about that. They want away from the IBT, they will not step up and do anything to benefit our current union. Instead they throw a big division down the pilot group with their belief of an in-house union that will have what ever power Ricci decides. If the in-house even lasts as long as to be able to walk into the office of Ricci.
 
Please explain this further?? Is he coming over the Bombardier side of Simu and trying to push his and his merry band of idiot followers in-house joke a union on you guys.

Engine Plug is far from the IBT, he is all for himself and nobody else. Remember these guys that are "steering" do not even want to run the in-house. So think about that. They want away from the IBT, they will not step up and do anything to benefit our current union. Instead they throw a big division down the pilot group with their belief of an in-house union that will have what ever power Ricci decides. If the in-house even lasts as long as to be able to walk into the office of Ricci.

That's exactly what happened, apparently. Hopefully he's on Flight Info and gets the message the loud and clear.
 
Hopefully, someone from Flexjet will stop the visits...
 
That's exactly what happened, apparently. Hopefully he's on Flight Info and gets the message the loud and clear.


He gets it, but it doesn't matter to him. He won't stop until someone from Bombardier confronts him, and perhaps not even then. He's that arrogant and knows no shame.
 

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