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[dime line]

The majority of Flex Pilots may be anti union now, but if we end up merging with FLOPS and lose a lot of pay, benefits, and QOL, then it might be a different story. You say that you're worried the Flex pilots will tear down everything you've worked hard to build, and I get that, but keep in mind we're worried about being forced onto your pay and work rules, and thus losing everything we've built. I think it is best for everyone involved if we stay separate. Wishful thinking?

I speak for myself, I don t want FLEX to loose one dime of pay, we start negotiation next year and Flex is profitable as is, and that is where we will start. I think this next contract will have a lot more no votes if it is not on par with industry. I voted Yes last time cause you have to start somewhere and the company was in a hurt locker in a real bad way. I might not be the highest paid right now, but I don't have to worry about an email changing my family's life, not for the better.

 

[Rubber Ducky]

IF I WERE IN KENNS SHOES

Disclaimer... The following is a pipe dream that both Mgmt and Pilot would benefit from. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT REALITY, yet.

First, I'd be upset that from my pilots point of view, I didn't follow through on my promise of always having the highest pay in the industry. My intentions were good but when NetJets got the big bump, I was no longer capable of unilaterally making good on my promise. I don't believe that I'm not capable of running a business with a union but I just don't want to. That said, I accept the decision you collectively make in the coming months.

The reality is that long term, we cannot operate as separate storefronts, Greater than 50% of our population has heard of NetJets, 5 % remembers hearing about them and less than 1% knows what they do. Conversely, less than 5% has ever been exposed to a FlexJet or FlightOptions advertisement. Luckily, the entire population is not our target audience and we do a great job with precision targeting. Moving forward, we simply cannot effectively market two brands. The economy is recovering and a labor dispute right now is going to result in a lost opportunity for the company and our employees.

Here's my offer... To be implemented by LOA with IBT this week and effective Feb. 1 if 1108 is agreeable and via electronic survey if Flex Pilots.

Immediate increase of pay fir bith pilot groups to current FlexJet plus 10%. LOA will also guarantee no lower than this threshold in the next contract. We are providing the pay bump to Flex pilots wether they like it or not.

Immediate opening of all Flight Options bases to Flexjet pilots.

Marketing efforts will commence post haste upon 1108 signing the LOA.

In parallel, will work to develop two identical sets of work rules, implementing the highest common denominator in ALL cases. This will allow the two groups to be functional until we can merge the two groups under either a union contract or my preferred alternative.

This is the right thing to do. It also gives me the highest likelihood of success when you collectively vote, again, on union representation. But regardless of who you choose to represent your interests, we can put our fears and differences aside and concentrate on taking advantage of current market conditions, growing this business and retaining the superb pilot group.

Similarly, we must consolidate our operations and will pay for all relocation expenses for operations personnel PLUS a $20,000 stipend for the pain and suffering caused by relocating. Everyone will be offered a position in XYZ. Due to growth expectations, we are going to need every one of you.

Flame away!!

 

[doh]

IF I WERE IN KENNS SHOES

Disclaimer... The following is a pipe dream that both Mgmt and Pilot would benefit from. THE FOLLOWING IS NOT REALITY, yet.

First, I'd be upset that from my pilots point of view, I didn't follow through on my promise of always having the highest pay in the industry. My intentions were good but when NetJets got the big bump, I was no longer capable of unilaterally making good on my promise. I don't believe that I'm not capable of running a business with a union but I just don't want to. That said, I accept the decision you collectively make in the coming months.

The reality is that long term, we cannot operate as separate storefronts, Greater than 50% of our population has heard of NetJets, 5 % remembers hearing about them and less than 1% knows what they do. Conversely, less than 5% has ever been exposed to a FlexJet or FlightOptions advertisement. Luckily, the entire population is not our target audience and we do a great job with precision targeting. Moving forward, we simply cannot effectively market two brands. The economy is recovering and a labor dispute right now is going to result in a lost opportunity for the company and our employees.

Here's my offer... To be implemented by LOA with IBT this week and effective Feb. 1 if 1108 is agreeable and via electronic survey if Flex Pilots.

Immediate increase of pay fir bith pilot groups to current FlexJet plus 10%. LOA will also guarantee no lower than this threshold in the next contract. We are providing the pay bump to Flex pilots wether they like it or not.

Immediate opening of all Flight Options bases to Flexjet pilots.

Marketing efforts will commence post haste upon 1108 signing the LOA.

In parallel, will work to develop two identical sets of work rules, implementing the highest common denominator in ALL cases. This will allow the two groups to be functional until we can merge the two groups under either a union contract or my preferred alternative.

This is the right thing to do. It also gives me the highest likelihood of success when you collectively vote, again, on union representation. But regardless of who you choose to represent your interests, we can put our fears and differences aside and concentrate on taking advantage of current market conditions, growing this business and retaining the superb pilot group.

Similarly, we must consolidate our operations and will pay for all relocation expenses for operations personnel PLUS a $20,000 stipend for the pain and suffering caused by relocating. Everyone will be offered a position in XYZ. Due to growth expectations, we are going to need every one of you.

Flame away!!

Sounds good to me.

 

[luckydog]

Now getting back to the current deal, it is easy to see why DOH is likely to be considered the simplest, "fair and equitable" manner for Seniority integration of Flex and Flops, although there are obviously other possibilities that could be considered.

I would agree that DOH is the simplest, it might not be the most fair. A fair list integration would require that neither group gain or lose in excess. Relative integration does that.

Fair integration does mess up the plans of the more rabid IBT fans that want the Flexjet airplanes, pay, and schedule while retaining their FLOPS CBA. They still seem to think that FLOPs bought Flexjet, not DAC. IF this integration comes about, it's will be 2 unwilling strangers meeting at the altar for their shotgun wedding.

 

[el raton]

I would agree that DOH is the simplest, it might not be the most fair. A fair list integration would require that neither group gain or lose in excess. Relative integration does that.

Fair integration does mess up the plans of the more rabid IBT fans that want the Flexjet airplanes, pay, and schedule while retaining their FLOPS CBA. They still seem to think that FLOPs bought Flexjet, not DAC. IF this integration comes about, it's will be 2 unwilling strangers meeting at the altar for their shotgun wedding.

I understand the most junior active pilot at FO was hired around 2000sh. A large portion of captains at Flexjet were hired after 2001. If we were to integrate the pilots by doh would some of these captains be looking at a downgrade after a certain period of time? Or would a fence prevent that from happening as long as that airplane type is part of the fleet?

Also, with the doh scenario, if you're a captain on a fleet that's being discontinued, will you move to a different fleet as a captain or will you downgrade to an fo?

 

[doh]

Flex will argue some kind of "career expectations" and Options will argue some kind of "doh". Most likely we will end with arbitration. Please don't let us end in a usapian nightmare. Would it help if we started having drinks on overnights now?

 

[jetwash]

Also, with the doh scenario, if you're a captain on a fleet that's being discontinued, will you move to a different fleet as a captain or will you downgrade to an fo?

According to our CBA, once your a Captain you stay at Captain pay even if you go down to a smaller aircraft but, you are a Captian at the smaller aircraft pay rate.

 

[jetwash]

. Would it help if we started having drinks on overnights now?

This brings up a question.

WhAt is the current Flex policy of having a drink or two when you go off duty?

At Flops it use to be a big NO all tour you were at work even on your time off. You would get into the good old boy network (SFO program) if you turned in your fellow pilot who had a beer after a going off duty.

Times have changed and we have since went to the official FAR's regulation for alcohol before flying.

 

[dime line]

This brings up a question.

WhAt is the current Flex policy of having a drink or two when you go off duty?

At Flops it use to be a big NO all tour you were at work even on your time off. You would get into the good old boy network (SFO program) if you turned in your fellow pilot who had a beer after a going off duty.

Times have changed and we have since went to the official FAR's regulation for alcohol before flying.

I remember that we would tear it up (with trusted pilots) and then the next day would leave the bottles by another room, just in case the sfo's or company guys were in the same hotel. Also it was rumored that some of the popular hotels, staff would snitch to the company about pilots drinking. And no were not drunks.

 

[outerfix]

Quick question. Who is the current D.O.?

 

[doh]

We may have a drink or two on layovers.

 

[doh]

Quick question. Who is the current D.O.?

Google "glove in German" and you will have your answer.

 

[el raton]

Reliable source said the Phenom 300s are going to Flexjet.

 

[B314Clipper]

Just been told on FJ message board that the big Jan 28 meeting/announcement is postponed till Feb. Also that the FltOps meeting is delayed.

 

[jetwash]

Reliable source said the Phenom 300s are going to Flexjet.

I heard the same thing.
Now lets see if they get the Flex pay.

 

[V1 Rotate]

D.W. confirmed to us in December that Ricci wants the Phenoms here at Flexjet only if he could get them with a "bespoke" interior like the 75. And yes, the meeting has been postponed to a later date to be determined.

 

[Propilot77]

Funny how someone had to ask that they heard a rumor it was postponed for them to actually confirm it. Wondering when it was going to be communicated to us if no one had asked.

 

[japhy]

Funny how someone had to ask that they heard a rumor it was postponed for them to actually confirm it. Wondering when it was going to be communicated to us if no one had asked.

I wondered that as well. I also wonder if this is how the communication lines between us and them will be from now on.

 

[Propilot77]

I wondered that as well. I also wonder if this is how the communication lines between us and them will be from now on.

It has already gotten very noticeably worse. Blurred lines is the new standard. I have to say the FLOPS guys are calling this spot on.

 

[shanes123]

It has already gotten very noticeably worse. Blurred lines is the new standard. I have to say the FLOPS guys are calling this spot on.

YA THINK!!! 15 Years of bull********************. you might know a little about how a bunch of scumbags run a company..
Boy if you flex guys are crying already just because you haven't been communicated with.

Just wait til the big changes start and nothing good!