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Club ORD FO said:
I dunno none of that sounds legit. We've already hired some and it wasn't DOH. 16 day rotation is ridiculous and I don't see why we'd have to interview in order to get a lousy schedule.
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It looks like the Flops pilots were given the same offer to interview for the Global positions. 3 captains per aircraft and you are based with the aircraft or a close drive to the aircraft.
 
Shanes, I wouldn't label those individuals as scumbags. Start with a "Me first" attitude, add in some incentive (SFO or we will support your in-house union later) and you end up with pilots willing to sell out other pilots for their own personal advancement. These pilots aren't even smart enough to realize they are being played. Calling them scumbags is being generous.
 
Propilot77 said:
Funny how someone had to ask that they heard a rumor it was postponed for them to actually confirm it. Wondering when it was going to be communicated to us if no one had asked.
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There is no thing such as communication at Flops. They brag about open door policy, but it's all just crap.

Can a Flex confirm;

1: Within 24 hrs of the official purchase, all of HR was fired - Now Flops HR is running.

2: Within 24 hrs of the official purchase, approx. 70% of Deanna White's duties were stripped from her - And they were given to Silvestro.

It is confirmed that a Flex 45 is being painted in Flops paint scheme with a blue strip instead.
 
slowtation capt said:
There is no thing such as communication at Flops. They brag about open door policy, but it's all just crap.

Can a Flex confirm;

1: Within 24 hrs of the official purchase, all of HR was fired - Now Flops HR is running.
NO
2: Within 24 hrs of the official purchase, approx. 70% of Deanna White's duties were stripped from her - And they were given to Silvestro.
YES/NO She is running OPS Finance and Maint for both
It is confirmed that a Flex 45 is being painted in Flops paint scheme with a blue strip instead.
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They are calling it a play on FLOPS colors but similar scheme to ours. They are also putting in a 6 person interior to see how owners will like it.
 
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KR lands another fatal blow to IBT.. They will be out the door before next contract is up for negations . MY PREDICTION..you can't win a war with no offense. or anything for that matter.

Somebody better stick some smelling sauce under there noses and try and get them up off the matt..the Ref is counting
 
GlorifiedCabbie said:
Shanes, I wouldn't label those individuals as scumbags. Start with a "Me first" attitude, add in some incentive (SFO or we will support your in-house union later) and you end up with pilots willing to sell out other pilots for their own personal advancement. These pilots aren't even smart enough to realize they are being played. Calling them scumbags is being generous.
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What does SFO stand for again? I think I saw it defined somewhere but can't find it now...
 
Ah. I see someone thinks there's a high level of crossover between A&P's and cabin servers. That's how you bespoke a global suckaz.
 
Propilot77 said:
They are calling it a play on FLOPS colors but similar scheme to ours. They are also putting in a 6 person interior to see how owners will like it.
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After the sale I think DW has more responsibility, not less.

We've been told it's our scheme but different colors.

I've also been told it's not a Flight Options scheme or colors but the DAC branding. If DAC wants a brand and they don't want the pax to think they're flying on a Flight Options plane, come up with a new look!
 
chief9404 said:
Did you notice the pay for a capt? I believe it's less than a Flex Lear Capt. Makes you wonder if pay cuts are in the future for Flex pilots.
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I'm not defending anything but the pay is comparable to 6/7 year LR Capt. pay.

Maybe they should posted a yearly pay scale then it might have looked a little more promising. As it is now, only FOs who are junior at Flex or the Options side are probably interested...and that's probably what KR is counting on.
 
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According to the info provided you have to live close to where the aircraft is based. My bet is that TEB is a possible base location.
 
They'll base them close to customers needing travel to Europe or Asia. It'll be two coastal cities if I had to bet on it.
 
hammer2 said:
I'm not defending anything but the pay is comparable to 6/7 year LR Capt. pay.

Maybe they should posted a yearly pay scale then it might have looked a little more promising. As it is now, only FOs who are junior at Flex or the Options side are probably interested...and that's probably what KR is counting on.
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Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.
 
V1 Rotate said:
Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.
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Thats called Tricky Ricci Math..They teach that at Notre Dame
 
I'm no cheerleader for Ricci but I'm not sure how that's tricky math? You'll make more doing 192 days on the Global than 208 on the Lear. If you want to compare to Challenger rates, then it's really not a huge incentive unless you're the chief making $200k as it says.
 
So it's senior LR captain pay or basic Challenger pay with as yet to be disclosed incentives that could increase it 50ish %. So you've got to really want to do it on the Flex side at least, and there's a chance that you could be partnered long term with several dorks, so you've got to consider that in addition to basing, schedule and Flex's general ability to cheese things up.

The single aircraft flight department routine is an interesting work around the need for a core fleet though.
 
V1 Rotate said:
Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.
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After overtime and bonus the two salaries would be close. But that's neither here nor there.

I think we're actually in agreement as I figured this is just a starting salary on the Global. I'm sure there will be a 12 or 15 year pay scale making the job seem a bit more attractive. Remember the 192 days are just the "target"...they could work 50 days or the maximum allowed by law. I think it would be too much of a risk to 'quality of life' to give it a chance....but hey, if you're above me on the seniority list I say, knock yourself out!!
 
Is SFO a term the company uses, or is that a pilot term for those individuals?
 
doh said:
Is SFO a term the company uses, or is that a pilot term for those individuals?
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DOH, that is straight from KR's book. And yes, I bought it and read it. It gave me some insight into how he thinks. Not all bad, but definitely not all good either.
 
The SFO program was part of KR's two-tier pay and benefits program. Pay the SFO above average and the rest of the pilots below average. The SFO's also got to wear an Armani inspired jacket with five stripes on the sleeve that angled up.
 
GlorifiedCabbie said:
The SFO program was part of KR's two-tier pay and benefits program. Pay the SFO above average and the rest of the pilots below average. The SFO's also got to wear an Armani inspired jacket with five stripes on the sleeve that angled up.
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I started laughing when I read this. Welcome to the team boys (flex).
 

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