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I'm not defending anything but the pay is comparable to 6/7 year LR Capt. pay.

Maybe they should posted a yearly pay scale then it might have looked a little more promising. As it is now, only FOs who are junior at Flex or the Options side are probably interested...and that's probably what KR is counting on.

Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.

 

[shanes123]

Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.

Thats called Tricky Ricci Math..They teach that at Notre Dame

 

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I'm no cheerleader for Ricci but I'm not sure how that's tricky math? You'll make more doing 192 days on the Global than 208 on the Lear. If you want to compare to Challenger rates, then it's really not a huge incentive unless you're the chief making $200k as it says.

 

[DirtyBeech]

So it's senior LR captain pay or basic Challenger pay with as yet to be disclosed incentives that could increase it 50ish %. So you've got to really want to do it on the Flex side at least, and there's a chance that you could be partnered long term with several dorks, so you've got to consider that in addition to basing, schedule and Flex's general ability to cheese things up.

The single aircraft flight department routine is an interesting work around the need for a core fleet though.

 

[hammer2]

Without a payscale right in front of me, I believe a 7 year Lear CA is around $600ish/day. At 16 days times 13 that's $125k. If you compare it to the 192 days that they say the Global will fly then it's only $115k. The minimum for this position would be $140-145k it says.

After overtime and bonus the two salaries would be close. But that's neither here nor there.

I think we're actually in agreement as I figured this is just a starting salary on the Global. I'm sure there will be a 12 or 15 year pay scale making the job seem a bit more attractive. Remember the 192 days are just the "target"...they could work 50 days or the maximum allowed by law. I think it would be too much of a risk to 'quality of life' to give it a chance....but hey, if you're above me on the seniority list I say, knock yourself out!!

 

[chief9404]

my guess is CGF...

Sad, but your probably right. It will be former "SFO" boys flying it. And they will remain on the Flops seniority list and the company will pay their dues.

 

[doh]

Is SFO a term the company uses, or is that a pilot term for those individuals?

 

[CL300Pilot]

Is SFO a term the company uses, or is that a pilot term for those individuals?

DOH, that is straight from KR's book. And yes, I bought it and read it. It gave me some insight into how he thinks. Not all bad, but definitely not all good either.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The SFO program was part of KR's two-tier pay and benefits program. Pay the SFO above average and the rest of the pilots below average. The SFO's also got to wear an Armani inspired jacket with five stripes on the sleeve that angled up.

 

[chief9404]

The SFO program was part of KR's two-tier pay and benefits program. Pay the SFO above average and the rest of the pilots below average. The SFO's also got to wear an Armani inspired jacket with five stripes on the sleeve that angled up.

I started laughing when I read this. Welcome to the team boys (flex).

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The company felt so strongly about the SFO program, they wanted it to be included in the contract. The Senior Flight Officers were basically considered rats that were given special treatment. Why wouldn't the company want to treat all of its employees well?

 

[BlueNose]

And in the 'You can fool some of the people' category:

"Aviation Week's Laureate Awards were conceived more than 50 years ago to recognize the extraordinary achievements of individuals and teams in aerospace, aviation and defense.



"The editors at Aviation Week honor those who epitomize the values and visions of the global aerospace industry in the following categories:

• Aeronautics & Propulsion
• Avionics & Systems
• Business & General Aviation
• Commercial Air Transport
• Defense
• Space

"2014 Finalists

Business & General Aviation

• Mason Holland, Chairman and CEO, Eclipse Aerospace
• Bradley Mottier, GE Aviation
• Kenn Ricci, Principal, Directional Aviation Capital"

I'm sure his biggest thanks are to all the hardworking employees who made this possible. Here's the link to see the accomplishments that garnered him the nomination:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_01_20_2014_p47-653508.xml&p=2

They're right about one thing, he's not done yet.

 

[shanes123]

SFO program was basically KR way of hiring stooges to rat out other pilots. You had to prove your loyalty to management by giving them names of pilots that they knew had a beer or alcoholic beverage when the no drinking policy was in place. They would ask you other questions like who's bad talking the company .. Bull******************** like that. Ask around Flex guys. It was a true CULT following back then. KR would love to go back to those days. But the union has been a thorn in his side to that. Also if he hasn't given you his famous " if you wake up in the morning and something is telling you not to fly, then you don't fly, nobody will question it" all I can say is "TRY IT JUST ONCE" it will get you a CGF Arrival real quick

 

[doh]

The company felt so strongly about the SFO program, they wanted it to be included in the contract. The Senior Flight Officers were basically considered rats that were given special treatment. Why wouldn't the company want to treat all of its employees well?

That would be my question as well. It is rare for a pilot to "bad mouth" the company. The vast majority of the time they are expressing their concerns (badly, we aren't speech majors) because of poor communication or lack of information.

 

[shanes123]

The company felt so strongly about the SFO program, they wanted it to be included in the contract. The Senior Flight Officers were basically considered rats that were given special treatment. Why wouldn't the company want to treat all of its employees well?

Because a divided pilot group is a weak pilot group. And options has the weakest when Ricci divides the pilot he has the control. And theres no better way to do that then to offer a few rats a extra 1k a month to keep the rest in fear of having a target on there back it also causes all the pilots not to trust each other which prevents solidarity. Its very simple. Business 101 at Notre Dame. How to keep your employees under your thumb

 

[japhy]

Wow! Five stripes. They must be really cool.

 

[dime line]

Wow! Five stripes. They must be really cool.

oh man I forgot about the 5 stripes, says a lot about a person who would wear 5 stripes when every Capt since 1903 and ships of before that wear 4 stripes, FLOPS has super pilots

 

[jetwash]

oh man I forgot about the 5 stripes, says a lot about a person who would wear 5 stripes when every Capt since 1903 and ships of before that wear 4 stripes, FLOPS has super pilots

Its not just the 5 stripes, its the knowledge of knowing that when you walk into a FBO all the pilots will look at you with envy in their eyes.

 

[doh]

Its not just the 5 stripes, its the knowledge of knowing that when you walk into a FBO all the pilots will look at you with envy in their eyes.

Over on the Major Board they have a thread about "Kernals". Now we have a thread about them too...

 

[FR8DOG777]

"Aviation Week's Laureate Awards were conceived more than 50 years ago to recognize the extraordinary achievements of individuals and teams in aerospace, aviation and defense.



"The editors at Aviation Week honor those who epitomize the values and visions of the global aerospace industry in the following categories:

• Aeronautics & Propulsion
• Avionics & Systems
• Business & General Aviation
• Commercial Air Transport
• Defense
• Space

"2014 Finalists

Business & General Aviation

• Mason Holland, Chairman and CEO, Eclipse Aerospace
• Bradley Mottier, GE Aviation
• Kenn Ricci, Principal, Directional Aviation Capital"

I'm sure his biggest thanks are to all the hardworking employees who made this possible. Here's the link to see the accomplishments that garnered him the nomination:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/AW_01_20_2014_p47-653508.xml&p=2

They're right about one thing, he's not done yet.

Blue nose I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that after reading it. I threw up all over my shoes. I love how our fearless leader time and time again states he has an education in law, but refrains from explaining he has been disbarred from practicing law. I would also like to add to his list of accolades, wife cheater and ex ATP pilot. Probably revoked for lack of good moral character.