First SLI thread of the day

[CptMurf]

Happy Memorial Day everyone!!!

Same here. Thank you to all that have served and to those that are still serving!

 

[CptMurf]

So when's the first "Brews with Crews" roundup? And what city? Maybe a floating kegger setup by volunteers in each domicile. Doesn't need much organization, just a date, and a location. BYOB or restaurant/bar of course. 9L/9E/XJ and significant others only, we are trying to meet our new coworkers, not talk shop with other airlines.

Any suggestions?

 

[xjhawk]

I like the idea. I have only met a couple Colgan pilots and the great majority of the Pinnacle guys and gals are stand up people. So once this thing is done, let have a drink together and leave this crap in the past. Once the list is out, its done. Heck we did vote it in already. When the list comes out, lets have a week to bitch about and then forget about it. Then the drinking can begin. two dates per domicile-one weekend date and one weekday date. That covers us all.

Know tihs si 4 u partypartyprnces......wii shuold al get togather 4 their is no bettre ting to do to promute our pilots so the're able to get to no each other better

 

[SEVEN]

Hey pinnacle merger comm., stop being morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've had enough of the Pinnacle clowns. Do your freaking job morons!!!! If Bloch wants another copy of the list (no matter how dumb this is) just give it to him in a timely fashion (the same day just like Colgan and Mesaba) so we can get the stupid list already!!!!!! Stop stalling!!!!!!!!!! And yes, you will be voted out shortly!!!!!!!




SLI Update – June 1, 2011

Monday evening Arbitrator Bloch asked for an updated seniority list from the three Merger Committees. By noon Tuesday, both the Mesaba and Colgan Merger Committees provided Mr. Bloch their respective up-to-date seniority list as he requested. As of this writing, Mr. Bloch is still waiting for an updated seniority list from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. After he receives their updated list, he will be able to issue his award in short order. We do not know when the Pinnacle Merger Committee will be able to provide Arbitrator Bloch an up-to-date seniority list. We remain committed to providing you with Mr. Bloch’s decision as soon as it is received.

 

[higney85]

Things are hard to get done "immediately" when the sli guys aren't released from trips. I've been told the list (from 9E) should be in bloch's hands today.

 

[SEVEN]

Things are hard to get done "immediately" when the sli guys aren't released from trips. I've been told the list (from 9E) should be in bloch's hands today.

The time for excuses has expired! They have used them all up. Their lack of timeliness and consideration for ALL the pilot groups involved is staggering to say the least.

 

[jynxyjericho]

The time for excuses has expired! They have used them all up. Their lack of timeliness and consideration for ALL the pilot groups involved is staggering to say the least.

Going back in time and Monday quarterbacking I have a few questions... perhaps some Pinnacle people can answer.

Why is the pinnacle pilot group saying it's the companies responsibility to keep on top of the list when Colgan and Mesaba seem to agree that it's the individual merger committee members responsibility to maintain the list?

While I understand there being some question as to what DOH (PC completion of first day of class) to use ON the list, I don't understand why Pinnacle pilots won't answer our concerns there were actual recording keeping mistakes (140 apparently) on their list. DOH concerns aside, LOA 2 concerns aside, what is has been the problem with list upkeep?

Why would Pinnacle even trust the company to maintain their seniority list in the first place?

Is this a little too strange for anyone else?

 

[CptMurf]

Going back in time and Monday quarterbacking I have a few questions... perhaps some Pinnacle people can answer.

Why is the pinnacle pilot group saying it's the companies responsibility to keep on top of the list when Colgan and Mesaba seem to agree that it's the individual merger committee members responsibility to maintain the list?

While I understand there being some question as to what DOH (PC completion of first day of class) to use ON the list, I don't understand why Pinnacle pilots won't answer our concerns there were actual recording keeping mistakes (140 apparently) on their list. DOH concerns aside, LOA 2 concerns aside, what is has been the problem with list upkeep?

Why would Pinnacle even trust the company to maintain their seniority list in the first place?

Is this a little too strange for anyone else?

1. Each MEC will maintain a system seniority list including at least the following data:
seniority number, name, date of hire, and date of birth. (AMENDED - Executive Board May
1998)
2. The merger representatives shall be responsible for determining the date of hire, date of
birth, seniority number, furlough time and leaves of absence time for each flight deck crew
member on its current seniority list utilizing Company payroll records and/or other records
as necessary. Clerical and staff help may be utilized to compile this data. Each furlough
and leave of absence or any intervening periods of service other than as a flight deck crew
member with this Company shall be listed separately with an explanation covering the
period. Furlough time directly related to a labor dispute or work stoppage, ALPA leaves,
military leaves, FMLA (or Canadian equivalent) leaves and sick leaves shall not be​

included. (AMENDED - Executive Board September 1988; Executive Board May 1998)

4. The date of hire shall be the date upon which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s
payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational training required to perform such
duties in airline operations. Pilots who initially function as flight deck crew members in
positions other than that of a pilot, but whose working agreement allows normal
progression in accordance with seniority to pilot status, shall be considered as being
employed as a pilot for purposes of this Section. Persons who initially function as flight
deck crew members, but in a classification which did not allow normal progression to pilot
status in accordance with seniority, and who have subsequently gained the right of
progression to pilot status by agreement with ALPA, shall acquire date of hire as a pilot as
of the date specified by such agreement. Those veteran flight engineers who gained the
right of progression to pilot status in accordance with seniority by agreement with ALPA
but who, as of November 20, 1970, are prohibited by their Company policy from exercising​

such rights, shall for the purpose of this policy be regarded as not possessing entitlement to

pilot positions. Where an initial date of hire as a flight deck crew member is different from
an initial date of hire as a pilot as defined above, both sets of data, together with
explanations, shall be compiled for the purpose of resolving any inconsistencies among the
parties to the merger with respect to special rights for such individuals. (AMENDED -​

Executive Board May 1998)

Seems pretty clear to me. MEC committe responsible for list. SLI commitee responsible for verification and correctness. And DOH explenation. Straight out of the merger/fragmentation policy.

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

 

[jynxyjericho]

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. Let's side with the Pinnacle pilots and move forward with this stupid list.

 

[bri5150]

1. Each MEC will maintain a system seniority list including at least the following data:​

seniority number, name, date of hire, and date of birth. (AMENDED - Executive Board May
1998)
2. The merger representatives shall be responsible for determining the date of hire, date of
birth, seniority number, furlough time and leaves of absence time for each flight deck crew
member on its current seniority list utilizing Company payroll records and/or other records
as necessary. Clerical and staff help may be utilized to compile this data. Each furlough
and leave of absence or any intervening periods of service other than as a flight deck crew
member with this Company shall be listed separately with an explanation covering the
period. Furlough time directly related to a labor dispute or work stoppage, ALPA leaves,
military leaves, FMLA (or Canadian equivalent) leaves and sick leaves shall not be​

included. (AMENDED - Executive Board September 1988; Executive Board May 1998)

4. The date of hire shall be the date upon which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s
payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational training required to perform such
duties in airline operations. Pilots who initially function as flight deck crew members in
positions other than that of a pilot, but whose working agreement allows normal
progression in accordance with seniority to pilot status, shall be considered as being
employed as a pilot for purposes of this Section. Persons who initially function as flight
deck crew members, but in a classification which did not allow normal progression to pilot
status in accordance with seniority, and who have subsequently gained the right of
progression to pilot status by agreement with ALPA, shall acquire date of hire as a pilot as
of the date specified by such agreement. Those veteran flight engineers who gained the
right of progression to pilot status in accordance with seniority by agreement with ALPA
but who, as of November 20, 1970, are prohibited by their Company policy from exercising​

such rights, shall for the purpose of this policy be regarded as not possessing entitlement to

pilot positions. Where an initial date of hire as a flight deck crew member is different from
an initial date of hire as a pilot as defined above, both sets of data, together with
explanations, shall be compiled for the purpose of resolving any inconsistencies among the
parties to the merger with respect to special rights for such individuals. (AMENDED -​

Executive Board May 1998)

Seems pretty clear to me. MEC committe responsible for list. SLI commitee responsible for verification and correctness. And DOH explenation. Straight out of the merger/fragmentation policy.

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

Stop "skewing" the facts. According to RJLoser, that's all we do.

 

[Smarta$$]

The time for excuses has expired! They have used them all up. Their lack of timeliness and consideration for ALL the pilot groups involved is staggering to say the least.

One of them is on a FORCED trip by the company. Stop being a jacka$$, if you can.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Is you an Engrish teacha?

Nah, it just gets old...we want to be viewed as professionals but these boards are full of grammatical ebonics...we can figure out how to fly jets but not how to put a string of words together to form an articulate sentence...and it's not just the pilot boards...I also participate on other professional boards from medicine to law and it's the same thing everywhere...the dumbing down of America continues, that's all...

 

[filejw]

Nah, it just gets old...we want to be viewed as professionals but these boards are full of grammatical ebonics...we can figure out how to fly jets but not how to put a string of words together to form an articulate sentence...and it's not just the pilot boards...I also participate on other professional boards from medicine to law and it's the same thing everywhere...the dumbing down of America continues, that's all...

That's because these are forums not a formal letter or report. Just people talking aloud.

 

[RJLoser]

Nah, it just gets old...we want to be viewed as professionals but these boards are full of grammatical ebonics...we can figure out how to fly jets but not how to put a string of words together to form an articulate sentence...and it's not just the pilot boards...I also participate on other professional boards from medicine to law and it's the same thing everywhere...the dumbing down of America continues, that's all...

Found on the Internet about your grammar:


A few people write like this … with ellipses between each clause … I find this quite annoying … It suggests that the writer was too lazy to make proper sentences. And it makes reading more difficult, because you can't tell at a glance where each idea finishes.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Found on the Internet about your grammar:


A few people write like this … with ellipses between each clause … I find this quite annoying … It suggests that the writer was too lazy to make proper sentences. And it makes reading more difficult, because you can't tell at a glance where each idea finishes.

I'm...sorry...it...annoys...you...as...for...lazy...you...inferred...something...that...was...not
implied...(why do you want to tell by only glancing where each idea...finishes?). And...what if...William Shatner...is writing this...? It's...after all...the way...he talks! Besides, I'll...stop...when the folks...on the forum...stop writing...like kindergarteners! Deal? Deal!

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

And question for you guys (and girls)...I see alot of "a" where "an" should be and vice-versa...now, if one is talking about a 3-letter abbreviation (which all airline pilots love)...which would be correct?

1. A SLI (A seniority list integration)
2. An SLI (Sounds right against the letter "S" but not against the word "seniority")

I don't know the answer, I'm asking...

 

[Simon Says]

Nah, it just gets old...we want to be viewed as professionals but these boards are full of grammatical ebonics...we can figure out how to fly jets but not how to put a string of words together to form an articulate sentence...and it's not just the pilot boards...I also participate on other professional boards from medicine to law and it's the same thing everywhere...the dumbing down of America continues, that's all...

Because you bust me on many instances on this board. If you are to be the grammar police then you better use your punctuation correctly!

So my questiont to you is, who are you quoting or what phrase or group of words are you leaving out of your 1 very long sentence. I would imagine to call it a run-on sentance. While we are at it and you do want to use an ellipsis then the proper way to format it is by adding a space between each sides of it...Not by my example.

Glass houses my friend, glass houses.

An ellipsis [ … ] proves to be a handy device when you're quoting material and you want to omit some words. The ellipsis consists of three evenly spaced dots (periods) with spaces between the ellipsis and surrounding letters or other marks. Let's take the sentence, "The ceremony honored twelve brilliant athletes from the Caribbean who were visiting the U.S." and leave out "from the Caribbean who were":

The ceremony honored twelve brilliant athletes … visiting the U.S.
​

 

[Simon Says]

Although I will say I did not know any of this about he ellipsis or in fact the ... actually had a name. I was only scrutanizing prtprtprncss post to find something wrong with it to bust some balls.

So I want to send a thank you for educating me on the over used ellipsis

 

[RJLoser]

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[xjhawk]

so no list ... a weekend off ...and I am reading and using grammar wrong.......................................