First SLI thread of the day

[prtyprtyprncss]

Higney, I appreciate your willingness to serve. You stepped up to the plate. I don't know the finer details of the Pinnacle MEC, but from what I have seen personally now (and not rumor) The place was and is a train wreck. The list is long with mis-steps and I am not shy to rise up against the leadership of them. I am sure they have the same goals as myself in this industry, but their methods and discipline of reaching those goals is horrific.

With that said I absolutely seperate the Pinnacle MEC and LEC reps from the rest of the Pinnacle pilot group. I look forward to working with each and every one of them. Even the ****************************** bags, cuz we got a few too. I feel that your pilot group has been beaten down for so long that all the group knows is disapointment and dispare. It is not their fault for feeling this way. You beat somebody down for so long and that is all they know. I am looking forward to change. We all are being served on a platter of change from the CEO all the way down to the line pilots, bases, and equipment.

Now for the SLI, points you made. As to addition and changes. Yes, their were. Ask J.H. if terminated pilots were added to the last list submitted. Ask him if some pilots were not even on the last list submitted (lets just call that the PM list) Yes their was at least one pilot that was left off the list due to a lack of oversight from Pinnacle SLI committee. And he was found by our SLI committee. I got his name if you want it?

Ask JH if their were email exchanges on the 25th and what he wanted. There is more to the story of checkride data point, DOH data point, and senority date data point.

Please engage JH or even better yet cross check his answers given to you based on verifable data from a seperate source.

My last point of this aurgument is this. JH blamed the company for bad data. Do you know who actually owns a senority list? It is ALPA and not the company. We are the ones responsible for making sure it is correct and if the company cannot come up with a proper list it is ALPA that corrects it. I suppose it is a joint responsability, but ALPA owns the document. So JH's excuse for the company giving bad data doesn't fly with me, it is ultimately his responsability.

Sigh......:erm:

 

[SEVEN]

I'm gonna hang on to this one for after the list comes out.

Better yet, why don't you frame it.

 

[Simon Says]

Sigh......:erm:

I know, I know....grammar and spelling. Sorry, but for crying out loud can't we get spell check on this thing.

 

[suupah]

Sigh......:erm:

Is you an Engrish teacha?

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Geeeez, I hope this is over soon, I can't stand reading anymore of this crap!!

Happy Memorial Day everyone!!!

 

[CptMurf]

Happy Memorial Day everyone!!!

Same here. Thank you to all that have served and to those that are still serving!

 

[CptMurf]

So when's the first "Brews with Crews" roundup? And what city? Maybe a floating kegger setup by volunteers in each domicile. Doesn't need much organization, just a date, and a location. BYOB or restaurant/bar of course. 9L/9E/XJ and significant others only, we are trying to meet our new coworkers, not talk shop with other airlines.

Any suggestions?

 

[xjhawk]

I like the idea. I have only met a couple Colgan pilots and the great majority of the Pinnacle guys and gals are stand up people. So once this thing is done, let have a drink together and leave this crap in the past. Once the list is out, its done. Heck we did vote it in already. When the list comes out, lets have a week to bitch about and then forget about it. Then the drinking can begin. two dates per domicile-one weekend date and one weekday date. That covers us all.

Know tihs si 4 u partypartyprnces......wii shuold al get togather 4 their is no bettre ting to do to promute our pilots so the're able to get to no each other better

 

[SEVEN]

Hey pinnacle merger comm., stop being morons!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've had enough of the Pinnacle clowns. Do your freaking job morons!!!! If Bloch wants another copy of the list (no matter how dumb this is) just give it to him in a timely fashion (the same day just like Colgan and Mesaba) so we can get the stupid list already!!!!!! Stop stalling!!!!!!!!!! And yes, you will be voted out shortly!!!!!!!




SLI Update – June 1, 2011

Monday evening Arbitrator Bloch asked for an updated seniority list from the three Merger Committees. By noon Tuesday, both the Mesaba and Colgan Merger Committees provided Mr. Bloch their respective up-to-date seniority list as he requested. As of this writing, Mr. Bloch is still waiting for an updated seniority list from the Pinnacle Merger Committee. After he receives their updated list, he will be able to issue his award in short order. We do not know when the Pinnacle Merger Committee will be able to provide Arbitrator Bloch an up-to-date seniority list. We remain committed to providing you with Mr. Bloch’s decision as soon as it is received.

 

[higney85]

Things are hard to get done "immediately" when the sli guys aren't released from trips. I've been told the list (from 9E) should be in bloch's hands today.

 

[SEVEN]

Things are hard to get done "immediately" when the sli guys aren't released from trips. I've been told the list (from 9E) should be in bloch's hands today.

The time for excuses has expired! They have used them all up. Their lack of timeliness and consideration for ALL the pilot groups involved is staggering to say the least.

 

[jynxyjericho]

The time for excuses has expired! They have used them all up. Their lack of timeliness and consideration for ALL the pilot groups involved is staggering to say the least.

Going back in time and Monday quarterbacking I have a few questions... perhaps some Pinnacle people can answer.

Why is the pinnacle pilot group saying it's the companies responsibility to keep on top of the list when Colgan and Mesaba seem to agree that it's the individual merger committee members responsibility to maintain the list?

While I understand there being some question as to what DOH (PC completion of first day of class) to use ON the list, I don't understand why Pinnacle pilots won't answer our concerns there were actual recording keeping mistakes (140 apparently) on their list. DOH concerns aside, LOA 2 concerns aside, what is has been the problem with list upkeep?

Why would Pinnacle even trust the company to maintain their seniority list in the first place?

Is this a little too strange for anyone else?

 

[CptMurf]

Going back in time and Monday quarterbacking I have a few questions... perhaps some Pinnacle people can answer.

Why is the pinnacle pilot group saying it's the companies responsibility to keep on top of the list when Colgan and Mesaba seem to agree that it's the individual merger committee members responsibility to maintain the list?

While I understand there being some question as to what DOH (PC completion of first day of class) to use ON the list, I don't understand why Pinnacle pilots won't answer our concerns there were actual recording keeping mistakes (140 apparently) on their list. DOH concerns aside, LOA 2 concerns aside, what is has been the problem with list upkeep?

Why would Pinnacle even trust the company to maintain their seniority list in the first place?

Is this a little too strange for anyone else?

1. Each MEC will maintain a system seniority list including at least the following data:
seniority number, name, date of hire, and date of birth. (AMENDED - Executive Board May
1998)
2. The merger representatives shall be responsible for determining the date of hire, date of
birth, seniority number, furlough time and leaves of absence time for each flight deck crew
member on its current seniority list utilizing Company payroll records and/or other records
as necessary. Clerical and staff help may be utilized to compile this data. Each furlough
and leave of absence or any intervening periods of service other than as a flight deck crew
member with this Company shall be listed separately with an explanation covering the
period. Furlough time directly related to a labor dispute or work stoppage, ALPA leaves,
military leaves, FMLA (or Canadian equivalent) leaves and sick leaves shall not be​

included. (AMENDED - Executive Board September 1988; Executive Board May 1998)

4. The date of hire shall be the date upon which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s
payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational training required to perform such
duties in airline operations. Pilots who initially function as flight deck crew members in
positions other than that of a pilot, but whose working agreement allows normal
progression in accordance with seniority to pilot status, shall be considered as being
employed as a pilot for purposes of this Section. Persons who initially function as flight
deck crew members, but in a classification which did not allow normal progression to pilot
status in accordance with seniority, and who have subsequently gained the right of
progression to pilot status by agreement with ALPA, shall acquire date of hire as a pilot as
of the date specified by such agreement. Those veteran flight engineers who gained the
right of progression to pilot status in accordance with seniority by agreement with ALPA
but who, as of November 20, 1970, are prohibited by their Company policy from exercising​

such rights, shall for the purpose of this policy be regarded as not possessing entitlement to

pilot positions. Where an initial date of hire as a flight deck crew member is different from
an initial date of hire as a pilot as defined above, both sets of data, together with
explanations, shall be compiled for the purpose of resolving any inconsistencies among the
parties to the merger with respect to special rights for such individuals. (AMENDED -​

Executive Board May 1998)

Seems pretty clear to me. MEC committe responsible for list. SLI commitee responsible for verification and correctness. And DOH explenation. Straight out of the merger/fragmentation policy.

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

 

[jynxyjericho]

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

Yeah, that makes sense to me. Let's side with the Pinnacle pilots and move forward with this stupid list.

 

[bri5150]

1. Each MEC will maintain a system seniority list including at least the following data:​

seniority number, name, date of hire, and date of birth. (AMENDED - Executive Board May
1998)
2. The merger representatives shall be responsible for determining the date of hire, date of
birth, seniority number, furlough time and leaves of absence time for each flight deck crew
member on its current seniority list utilizing Company payroll records and/or other records
as necessary. Clerical and staff help may be utilized to compile this data. Each furlough
and leave of absence or any intervening periods of service other than as a flight deck crew
member with this Company shall be listed separately with an explanation covering the
period. Furlough time directly related to a labor dispute or work stoppage, ALPA leaves,
military leaves, FMLA (or Canadian equivalent) leaves and sick leaves shall not be​

included. (AMENDED - Executive Board September 1988; Executive Board May 1998)

4. The date of hire shall be the date upon which a pilot first appears upon the Company’s
payroll as a pilot and also begins initial operational training required to perform such
duties in airline operations. Pilots who initially function as flight deck crew members in
positions other than that of a pilot, but whose working agreement allows normal
progression in accordance with seniority to pilot status, shall be considered as being
employed as a pilot for purposes of this Section. Persons who initially function as flight
deck crew members, but in a classification which did not allow normal progression to pilot
status in accordance with seniority, and who have subsequently gained the right of
progression to pilot status by agreement with ALPA, shall acquire date of hire as a pilot as
of the date specified by such agreement. Those veteran flight engineers who gained the
right of progression to pilot status in accordance with seniority by agreement with ALPA
but who, as of November 20, 1970, are prohibited by their Company policy from exercising​

such rights, shall for the purpose of this policy be regarded as not possessing entitlement to

pilot positions. Where an initial date of hire as a flight deck crew member is different from
an initial date of hire as a pilot as defined above, both sets of data, together with
explanations, shall be compiled for the purpose of resolving any inconsistencies among the
parties to the merger with respect to special rights for such individuals. (AMENDED -​

Executive Board May 1998)

Seems pretty clear to me. MEC committe responsible for list. SLI commitee responsible for verification and correctness. And DOH explenation. Straight out of the merger/fragmentation policy.

LOAv2 challenges the ALPA Mer/Frg policies definition, most likely it will be honored, since we all voted the TA in with the LOA attached.

Stop "skewing" the facts. According to RJLoser, that's all we do.