First SLI thread of the day

[bri5150]

Except it is Mesaba with the dispute. The 9E MEC isn't trying to do anything, except let us all use class date for DOH. Some apparently want 9E not to use their class date.

As I said before, if that's the case I apologize for the actions of our MEC. I highly doubt that is the case though.

 

[dingo222]

Except it is Mesaba with the dispute. The 9E MEC isn't trying to do anything, except let us all use class date for DOH. Some apparently want 9E not to use their class date.

Im not arguing with that. But each airline agreed to the senority lists prior to this going to Bloch. Now someone is showing up to party with a list that wasn't agreed to. These things should have been ironed out before Bloch asked for the lists. Class date, DOH; they are all within a few months of each other. It just seems like the MOU and this should have been done before Bloch asked for them. In other news, we may actually have a worthwhile CEO now. The holiday weekend is approaching, I'm going to spend more of my time being thankful for those that allow us to be free and to choose the lifestyle and jobs that we have

 

[xjhawk]

WHy apologize for our MEC, they are fighting over valid points and that will all come out in the end. It is not our MEC who on their own "adjusted" our DOH on our master seniority list. It is not Mesaba who defined what DOH is legally in the ALPA merger policy-we are just as I hear it, playing by the rules, not making them up as we go. You cannot just adjust the date on your badge-your company can, but Pinnacle Airlines themselves will state your DOH is on your badge. was it agreed by all the unions to allow one to just changed their DOH? That will be seen. Will the arbitrator allow the change in DOH? that is up to him

 

[Vertigo37]

The Pinnacle DOH will be updated on the company id.

 

[CptMurf]

9L update at 9:15 ET:

As of this evening there are not any updates...

 

[suupah]

9L update at 9:15 ET:

As of this evening there are not any updates...

how do you get these updates so quickly?

 

[CptMurf]

how do you get these updates so quickly?

"Like" Colgan and Mesaba ALPA Facebook page.

 

[Smarta$$]

WHy apologize for our MEC, they are fighting over valid points and that will all come out in the end. It is not our MEC who on their own "adjusted" our DOH on our master seniority list. It is not Mesaba who defined what DOH is legally in the ALPA merger policy-we are just as I hear it, playing by the rules, not making them up as we go. You cannot just adjust the date on your badge-your company can, but Pinnacle Airlines themselves will state your DOH is on your badge. was it agreed by all the unions to allow one to just changed their DOH? That will be seen. Will the arbitrator allow the change in DOH? that is up to him

Selfish Jackhole. You want to use a different standard of DOH for yourself, to the disadvantage of Pinnacle pilots. Why is parity not appropriate? Why should DOH not be defined the same way for all 3 properties during this important time?

Truly disgusting.

 

[Kaman]

Cannot agree more strongly with the previous post about using the same DOH standard for all 3 pilot groups. I wouldn't think that this would be a big issue, and I know this sounds really corny and old-fashioned, but aren't we all supposed to be ladies and gentlemen in our dealings with our peers?

 

[DoinTime]

It is not Mesaba who defined what DOH is legally in the ALPA merger policy-we are just as I hear it, playing by the rules, not making them up as we go.

ALPA merger policy also disallows what Mesaba has proposed for Pinnacle Date of hire.

was it agreed by all the unions to allow one to just changed their DOH?

Yes, it was. Its LOA 2.V in the JCBA which unanimously ratified all three MECs and passed membership ratification by about 90%.

V. Pinnacle Pilots’ Date of Hire Correction
A Pinnacle Pilot who is hired prior to February 18, 2011 shall have his date of hire adjusted to the first day such Pilot commenced training, however, the pilot’s longevity date shall not be adjusted.

 

[CptMurf]

ALPA merger policy

It also states...
5. Upon completion of the processes outlined above, the merger representatives shall prepare a certified Flight Deck Crew Member Seniority List which shall reflect the proper relative position of each member thereon. Such list shall contain that data described in Section E 2. (AMENDED - Executive Board May 1998)

6. Employment data verified as outlined above shall be exchanged no later than sixty (60) days following the Policy Initiation Date. For purposes of this initial exchange of data, said data need not pertain to events more recent than the date of the first Company notification of intent to merge. (AMENDED - Executive Board May 1998)

So the excuse of it was the companies seniority list was screwed up doesn't fly. It was you SLI Committees job and responsibility to prepare an accurate list, they failed. Now we must all wait because of it.

I for one, am glad this was brought up before the list was published. It needs to be correct, if that means I have to wait, then fine I'll wait.

 

[DoinTime]

So the excuse of it was the companies seniority list was screwed up doesn't fly. It was you SLI Committees job and responsibility to prepare an accurate list, they failed. Now we must all wait because of it.

Thats what they did last November or so. Bloch wanted an updated list on Monday and he got an accurate list from PCL on Tuesday. Thats not what we are waiting for.

 

[NEWSOUTH]

Thats what they did last November or so. Bloch wanted an updated list on Monday and he got an accurate list from PCL on Tuesday. Thats not what we are waiting for.

Can you please tell us what we are waiting on?

 

[xjhawk]

Selfish Jackhole. You want to use a different standard of DOH for yourself, to the disadvantage of Pinnacle pilots. Why is parity not appropriate? Why should DOH not be defined the same way for all 3 properties during this important time?

Truly disgusting.

now that is the pot calling the kettle black-was it not the pinnacle union who proposed 4 blocks, putting their entire pilot group in the first two blocks, and pretty much stapling the Colgan and Mesaba Saab guys? Since the proposal you guys made and all the jackhole (yes I am calling you and your fellow 9E) who have said to me and my fellow pilots that You bought us or that you were getting our jets and not our pilots-or that we would be offered jobs, or that we would be stapled, or offered 5:1 seniority etc etc.....I am changed my mind and think we should use the date of hire listed on your badge-I am not sure what was agreed on-but what I have heard is that there were substantial adjustments beyond start of training that benefited your pilots-I think that one standard is fair, the date you were hired and started class. But since everything most of your pilots, including your MEC is not fair, screw you. But in the end, it will be a bunch of Attorneys who decide on what is legal and what is fair.

 

[DoinTime]

Can you please tell us what we are waiting on?

From what I have been able to gather, the XJ and Colgan merger committees have refused to acknowledge that PCL hire dates were moved to a consistent benchmark with their own in the JCBA. This dispute has tied Bloch's hands on producing a list.

 

[xjhawk]

Well if there are issues with the list being the same as what was ratified, the blame does not go on those who want a correct list. I also think the blame is not on Bloch-he is just reacting to disputed lists that do not correspond with what was presented before. Yeah I will admit I am a jack hole, lol. But on the flip side you MUST know that you and every one of your idiots over there who think this is an asset transfer or a staple scenario can kiss off. If Pinnacle would have presented a DOH as their final (DOH is best for more Pinnacle pilots than XJ pilots) none of this would be happening.

 

[Smarta$$]

now that is the pot calling the kettle black-was it not the pinnacle union who proposed 4 blocks, putting their entire pilot group in the first two blocks, and pretty much stapling the Colgan and Mesaba Saab guys? Since the proposal you guys made and all the jackhole (yes I am calling you and your fellow 9E) who have said to me and my fellow pilots that You bought us or that you were getting our jets and not our pilots-or that we would be offered jobs, or that we would be stapled, or offered 5:1 seniority etc etc.....I am changed my mind and think we should use the date of hire listed on your badge-I am not sure what was agreed on-but what I have heard is that there were substantial adjustments beyond start of training that benefited your pilots-I think that one standard is fair, the date you were hired and started class. But since everything most of your pilots, including your MEC is not fair, screw you. But in the end, it will be a bunch of Attorneys who decide on what is legal and what is fair.

Yeah, I never said any of that stuff. I said DOH across the board. Try again buttercup.

 

[bri5150]

New Mesaba MEC email says they hope to have the decision "very soon".

 

[Smarta$$]

Well if there are issues with the list being the same as what was ratified, the blame does not go on those who want a correct list. I also think the blame is not on Bloch-he is just reacting to disputed lists that do not correspond with what was presented before. Yeah I will admit I am a jack hole, lol. But on the flip side you MUST know that you and every one of your idiots over there who think this is an asset transfer or a staple scenario can kiss off. If Pinnacle would have presented a DOH as their final (DOH is best for more Pinnacle pilots than XJ pilots) none of this would be happening.

DOH is fine, it is what I have been asking for all along. But we need to have one consistent standard of when we are hired. We all started class on day one. Your MEC needs to stop demanding we use a different standard for us vs. the other two groups.

 

[xjgearbtch]

From what I have been able to gather, the XJ and Colgan merger committees have refused to acknowledge that PCL hire dates were moved to a consistent benchmark with their own in the JCBA. This dispute has tied Bloch's hands on producing a list.

Wait wait wait. Where is the proof to justify this accusation???? Where is the union email regarding this? I was at the joint union meetings held in MSP and saw them discuss the fact that 9E's seniority list would be changed to reflect their DOH to = first day of INDOC. I watched one of the 9E reps address all of their pilots in the room to please spread the word that a email would be sent verifying the data and every pilot needed to respond. This was in front of all the XJ & 9L reps. It was established long ago to ensure a equal standard. My point, who the hell made up this rumor??? I think this is a bogus speculation and you all are getting riled up over something that never happened.