Fedex: Just got the call. What now?

[satpak77]

I think we should let more people not prep for the interview since it falls under "pay for training" according to some of the people on here

that way those guys who prepped by via paid interview prep have that many more slots to fill when the other guys fail the interview

fine with me

 

[VaB]

...a big jet to make up for a small Johnson?

Nah. That's what they made Corvettes for.

 

[FedExFlyer]

Nah. That's what they made Corvettes for.

And Hummers..........Big truck, little pee pee

 

[TinGoose1]

What's the lag time on the grip-n-grins these days? Anyone?

 

[RAC396]

RAC,

Are you saying that if you got the opportunity to interview for your dream job you wouldn't be sure to stack the deck in your favor to better your chances? Especially when so many people who have successfully gone before you recommend it. I hardly believe that. If so, your judgment is as bad as your spelling!

You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.

 

[hoya saxa]

You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.

Well, I guess that pretty much says it all! Since you're such a phenomenal pilot it must be difficult having to instruct new hires. What an arduous task. You are either a poser or a complete @ss. Probably both.:laugh:

 

[BamaBoy]

You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department. (RAC396)

RAC, when you prepare for a trip do you look at the approach plates, SIDs/STARs, Class B/C airspace, NOTAMs, Wx, terrain, etc...? If you're going to an unfamiliar field do you spend a little extra time on that information? Or do you just blindly sign the flight plan and step to the airplane? If you're the professional pilot that you claim to be, I'm sure that you look at every piece of information that you can get your hands on. Why then are you criticizing those of us who took the same approach with the most important day in our flying careers? I too am confident in my flying skills and professionalism. However, I'd never been to an interview anything like what I experienced in Memphis. I wanted someone who would show me how to present myself in the most positive light possible. Someone who would take MY stories and ensure that I was able to tell them without getting my tongue tied. Someone who would give me a little information on the process so that I wasn't blindly stumbling into unfamiliar territory.
To be honest, RAC, I would question the professionalism of someone who is willing to gamble an opportunity like a FedEx (or UPS/Southwest/JetBlue/etc.) on his (perceived) superior flying and interview skills. If you're willing to to take on that kind of risk, what other risks are you going to take throughout your career? I am very happy that I went to Albie and was fortunate enough to be hired. However, had I not been selected after choosing to forgo the interview preparation, I would have spent a lifetime kicking myself for not doing everything within my power to prepare.
If you want to attack someone for the inability of newhires to live up to your expectations, take it up with HR - not those of us who simply wanted to maximize our chances of getting (insert personal bias blurb here) the best job in the industry today.

Bamaboy

 

[USNFDX]

You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.

I think you're are full of poo poo. If you know anything about Fedex, you would know that HR has nothing to do with who gets hired! It's all up to the pilots in the process.

Incidently, I personaly feel that I'm nothing more than average pilot. I over achieve through preparation. But whatever. The moment you think you know it all you're dead!

 

[Resume Writer]

As Albie and other people have said, interview prep it is not about "inside information" at any company. It is about learning to communicate, telling your stories in a succinct manner, and receiving feedback about how answers can (and will) be perceived.

Interviews at each airline (or company for that matter) are different, yet the same. Airlines interview First Officers, but they hire Captains. They are looking for good judgment, leadership skills and the ability to work well with others. When you are participating in an interview, you are marketing a product - you.

Sales Representatives do not go into a sales call not knowing their product or not anticipating objections. If a sales rep were to come to your house to sell you a product, how impressed would you be if he did not know his merchandise or did not address any of your concerns? The same thing happens in an interview.

As a Hiring Manager for many years at two different companies, I wanted to know that you understood MY product, and could tell me why you were the best FIT to represent my product. There are some great people out there that simply do not understand how to communicate their value. That is what interview prep does - nothing more, nothing less.

I do not consider myself to be an "opportunist," nor do I believe that any of my colleagues that also conduct interview prep fall into that category.

 

[RAC396]

Let's cut to the chase if I could promise ypu a job at fedex.What would you pay?

 

[skykid]

Well, I guess that pretty much says it all! Since you're such a phenomenal pilot it must be difficult having to instruct new hires. What an arduous task. You are either a poser or a complete @ss. Probably both.

Exactly the response I was going to make!

 

[AlbieF15]

...well...considering a lot of people pay 7-10k for a 737 type at SWA without any guarantees, I'll bet the number would be pretty darn high.

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

RAC396Let's cut to the chase if I could promise ypu a job at fedex.What would you pay?

Not a frikin dime, but I would like to be a fly on the wall in the Chief Pilot's office as he administers discipline for undermining the hiring process and committing fraud. You can't guarantee anyone a job......Albie doesn't Guarantee a job, he guarantees his product....big difference.

 

[RAC396]

RAC396Let's cut to the chase if I could promise ypu a job at fedex.What would you pay?

Not a frikin dime, but I would like to be a fly on the wall in the Chief Pilot's office as he administers discipline for undermining the hiring process and committing fraud. You can't guarantee anyone a job......Albie doesn't Guarantee a job, he guarantees his product....big difference.

AlbieF15 got my point.You mised it by a long shot.10 years ago when I interviewed no one even thought about paying for prep. Now 30 newhires a month X $800 = some big bucks.You do the math.

 

[AlbieF15]

...RAC...the big winner is Pan Am, and the second big winner is the sim IP....the sim now hums along in the black when the facility used to be in the red. I don't make much off the sim side of the business--that is something we started as as service. The interview prep is our bread and butter. Southwest, Jetblue, and a host of others don't do sims, but we prep for them as well.

 

[FedExFlyer]

AlbieF15 got my point.You mised it by a long shot.10 years ago when I interviewed no one even thought about paying for prep. Now 30 newhires a month X $800 = some big bucks.You do the math.

It's called free enterprise! Great service at a great price IMO!!

 

[RAC396]

It's called free enterprise! Great service at a great price IMO!!

Just worked with 4 new hires today.They all had completed their sim eval,and all had been preped.When I asked if they felt Riped Off they all said Riped Off was too strong. when I said overcharged 4 heads shook in the afirmative.They all thought that they would have gotten through without the prep,but they all said that they would do it again because they didn't want to be at a disadvantage.In short what they paid for was a leveling of the playing field that was made unlevel by those who are selling the prep.
A luxury once tasted soon becomes a necessity.

 

[New FDX Guy]

In short what they paid for was a leveling of the playing field that was made unlevel by those who are selling the prep.
A luxury once tasted soon becomes a necessity.

I guess you blame Remmington for killing JFK too?

I feel sorry for Albie and the others who have to justify this whole thing every time some jack-nuckle takes issue with it.

 

[Deuce130]

Just worked with 4 new hires today.They all had completed their sim eval,and all had been preped.When I asked if they felt Riped Off they all said Riped Off was too strong. when I said overcharged 4 heads shook in the afirmative.They all thought that they would have gotten through without the prep,but they all said that they would do it again because they didn't want to be at a disadvantage.In short what they paid for was a leveling of the playing field that was made unlevel by those who are selling the prep.
A luxury once tasted soon becomes a necessity.

Sounds like you were asking some leading questions, there RAC. As a newhire, I would've nodded my head to anything someone in authority said. Especially if I had just spent a ton of money on sim prep. Noone likes to spend that much money on anything, but the simple fact that they all said they'd do it again indicates that they really DIDN'T think they got overcharged. Want to get rid of the sim prep? Then convince the company to scrap the sim as part of the interview process. What's your main gripe, anyway? That two hours in the sim prepping is somehow going to teach someone how to pass the sim phase of the interview? If a guy can't fly, then two hours in the sim won't help him. If he can, however, then those two hours will go a long way to helping him relax and doing as well as he can. Do you really think FDX is getting a lower quality product simply b/c of interview prep? Ridiculous.

 

[sandman2122]

I would hate to be RAC396's student.

We've got too many pompass @ssholes who think they know it all - AND I've noticed a lot of these guys and gals happen to be in the schoolhouse.........interesting..........

Guess flying the line isn't challenging enough.....