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RAC,

I had a meeting with Jack Lewis last year to address your very concerns. The fact is we DO NOT have any inside info on FDX interviews. If inside info was required, we would not be effective at helping people with AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, UPS, Jetblue, NetJets or a host of other places where our team does not work. Most of our work has been with the LCCs anyway, not with FDX.

All we have offered is solid communication training. If you were an executive going to an interview, more than likely your headhunter firm will do some work to "polish" you and help you communicate your strengths more effectively. In a nutshell--that is what we have done for over 3 years.

Interviewing on your own merit sounds solid and reasonable, but the stakes are high and there are so few good jobs around right now people want to make sure they do their very best. How did you learn to fly an ILS to 200 & 1/2? Did you jump right into your plane and dive into it? More than likely, you worked a long time to get those skills piece by piece, and you practiced and practiced and practiced in a sim before doing the real thing. A good interview coaching session is like the academics and sim phase of your training. You still have to execute during IOE, but by warming up your hands (or in the case of interviewing your head and mouth!) you are a lot more likely to say the things that you want to get across rather than just blundering through your answers. RAC--looks like you were military. Did you practice your briefings or presenations before presenting them to the higher ups with a dry run or two? If so--did it make you "fake or phony" or did it simply help you do YOUR briefing more effectively? A lot of what I do is similar to an IPUG F-15 debrief--help people tell their material in a more effective, interesting, and succint fashion.

Flying evaluations in a sim you have never flown are by nature very challenging. Why do we do a warm up before a PC? Most would say the answer would be to knock off the rust and get your head in the game. A sim prep is basically the same thing--you cannot teach a guy or gal with poor flying skills to "bluff" through the process. However, you can take that guy who's been flying glass in his CRJ or 757 or isn't used to turbojet responses (tubroprop guys from regionals/C130s/King Airs, etc) and help him/her get back up to speed.

These communication skills are honed not just in airline interviews, but in a host of other endevours outside aviation. Our team has a host of communication experience both inside and outside avaition--I've got certified CRM instructors, adverstising salespeople, business owners, and my bride is even the president of a local political party (I'll leave it off--I don't mess with the political discussions on the boards) and has done media coaching for some local political candidates. The stuff we teach helps people communicate--not only for job interviews but for a host of applications.

As for the Kit Darby reference--I agree. I hated seeing guys and gals spend tons of money over empty promises, so ever since we started this business we have had a money back guarantee--if you don't get hired you owe nothing. So...you may or may not agree the service is necessary, but I certainly do NOT want to be considered someone who takes advantage of folks. I think anyone who has worked with us would agree we were solid and reputatable. If I am an opportunist, it was only because I saw a way to help good people do their best, not screw them over with empty promises.

And also--lots and lots and lots of people get hired without ANY prep. There is no requirement for anyone to do any of these things. So--it is up to the individual to decide if they think they need the extra help. There is no blanket answer for everyone--its a very personal decision. And we are certainly not the only game in town--lots of folks like Cheryl Cage and Judy Tarver et. al have been doing this stuff for years, so there are plenty of choices for those that might be interested.
 
that explains it...

;) ...a big jet to make up for a small Johnson? Guess that explains why I am on the 727!
 
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I think we should let more people not prep for the interview since it falls under "pay for training" according to some of the people on here

that way those guys who prepped by via paid interview prep have that many more slots to fill when the other guys fail the interview

fine with me
 
reddog said:
RAC,

Are you saying that if you got the opportunity to interview for your dream job you wouldn't be sure to stack the deck in your favor to better your chances? Especially when so many people who have successfully gone before you recommend it. I hardly believe that. If so, your judgment is as bad as your spelling!

You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.
 
RAC396 said:
You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.

Well, I guess that pretty much says it all! Since you're such a phenomenal pilot it must be difficult having to instruct new hires. What an arduous task. You are either a poser or a complete @ss. Probably both.:laugh:
 
You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department. (RAC396)

RAC, when you prepare for a trip do you look at the approach plates, SIDs/STARs, Class B/C airspace, NOTAMs, Wx, terrain, etc...? If you're going to an unfamiliar field do you spend a little extra time on that information? Or do you just blindly sign the flight plan and step to the airplane? If you're the professional pilot that you claim to be, I'm sure that you look at every piece of information that you can get your hands on. Why then are you criticizing those of us who took the same approach with the most important day in our flying careers? I too am confident in my flying skills and professionalism. However, I'd never been to an interview anything like what I experienced in Memphis. I wanted someone who would show me how to present myself in the most positive light possible. Someone who would take MY stories and ensure that I was able to tell them without getting my tongue tied. Someone who would give me a little information on the process so that I wasn't blindly stumbling into unfamiliar territory.
To be honest, RAC, I would question the professionalism of someone who is willing to gamble an opportunity like a FedEx (or UPS/Southwest/JetBlue/etc.) on his (perceived) superior flying and interview skills. If you're willing to to take on that kind of risk, what other risks are you going to take throughout your career? I am very happy that I went to Albie and was fortunate enough to be hired. However, had I not been selected after choosing to forgo the interview preparation, I would have spent a lifetime kicking myself for not doing everything within my power to prepare.
If you want to attack someone for the inability of newhires to live up to your expectations, take it up with HR - not those of us who simply wanted to maximize our chances of getting (insert personal bias blurb here) the best job in the industry today.

Bamaboy
 
RAC396 said:
You are correct on all issues,I was given the oportunity of a lifetime,interviewed without professionel coaching and got the job.You are also correct I can't spell,but I can fly one hell of an airplane and present myself in a professionel manner in an interview. I now instruct these newhires, and sometime wonder how they pulled the wool over the eyes of our HR department.

I think you're are full of poo poo. If you know anything about Fedex, you would know that HR has nothing to do with who gets hired! It's all up to the pilots in the process.

Incidently, I personaly feel that I'm nothing more than average pilot. I over achieve through preparation. But whatever. The moment you think you know it all you're dead!
 
As Albie and other people have said, interview prep it is not about "inside information" at any company. It is about learning to communicate, telling your stories in a succinct manner, and receiving feedback about how answers can (and will) be perceived.

Interviews at each airline (or company for that matter) are different, yet the same. Airlines interview First Officers, but they hire Captains. They are looking for good judgment, leadership skills and the ability to work well with others. When you are participating in an interview, you are marketing a product - you.

Sales Representatives do not go into a sales call not knowing their product or not anticipating objections. If a sales rep were to come to your house to sell you a product, how impressed would you be if he did not know his merchandise or did not address any of your concerns? The same thing happens in an interview.

As a Hiring Manager for many years at two different companies, I wanted to know that you understood MY product, and could tell me why you were the best FIT to represent my product. There are some great people out there that simply do not understand how to communicate their value. That is what interview prep does - nothing more, nothing less.

I do not consider myself to be an "opportunist," nor do I believe that any of my colleagues that also conduct interview prep fall into that category.
 

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