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Pay For Interview Prep?
what ever happened to interviewing on your own merrit,and experience? People on this board are quick to critize PFT,but are more tham willing to pay good money to some oportunist who aparently has the inside info on the process.If I was Fedex I would ask everyone if they paid for interview prep,and if the answer was yes,bid them a good day. As for flying the sim DC10 or Bus,all that is required is a good instrument crosscheck.If you have let your's deteriorate,or never had one we probably don't want you.Those who take advantage of people looking for a job rank right up there with KIT.
what ever happened to interviewing on your own merrit,and experience? People on this board are quick to critize PFT,but are more tham willing to pay good money to some oportunist who aparently has the inside info on the process.If I was Fedex I would ask everyone if they paid for interview prep,and if the answer was yes,bid them a good day. As for flying the sim DC10 or Bus,all that is required is a good instrument crosscheck.If you have let your's deteriorate,or never had one we probably don't want you.Those who take advantage of people looking for a job rank right up there with KIT.
Laughing_Jakal
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You don't know what you're talking about.
Rac,
With all due respect, you are being sanctimonious. I interviewed at FedEx, didn't do a sim prep, didn't do an interview prep, except my own, and have worked here for five years......I was also hired by other airlines.....
Having said that, to EVERY GUY that I brought to a grip and grin, or guy that I have known that was coming to interview, I recommended Emerald Coast. WITHOUT EXCEPTION, they all said it was worth the money.
Albie....(using his porn screen name) is not an opportunist. He gives a money back guarantee. He doesn't teach anyone "Canned" stuff or gouge, more than anything he probably gives them a little confidence. (That....and I also heard his wife was hot!) As a side note, I was talking to a guy in an un-related field and he talked about how many people need "Grooming/Coaching" and are rusty at the interview game. There are plenty of people outside of aviation that do interview coaching/prep/career counseling. They provide the same service...I also think Emerald Coast preps people from all careers. (Unlike Kit)
The only guy that went to the sim and said that he didn't think he really needed it was a guy who teaches a simulator (different type) for another outfit. "But", he says.....I would hate to dork up a sim and lose the job over $400.00 (or whatever Albie Gouges....just joking.... had to get the gouge word there out of context, and thought it clever cause I insinuate falsely that you don't get what you pay for at Emerald Coast.
I did it without all that, and in today's environment, I wouldn't attempt an interview at FedEx without it....as long as you keep it in context. I think that anyone in today's environment would be a Jack@$$ if they didn't stack the deck in their favor. Kind of like taking a stand against the fairness of the "Grip and Grin" process....it is what it is. I am not on Albie's payroll...however I should hit him up for a frikin commission for all the business I've sent him. PFT, pay for interview prep.....who cares...the question to ask is was/is it a good investment after all, this is not "God and Country", this is business. Every one I talked to seems to be a satisfied customer...but what do I know?
Rac,
With all due respect, you are being sanctimonious. I interviewed at FedEx, didn't do a sim prep, didn't do an interview prep, except my own, and have worked here for five years......I was also hired by other airlines.....
Having said that, to EVERY GUY that I brought to a grip and grin, or guy that I have known that was coming to interview, I recommended Emerald Coast. WITHOUT EXCEPTION, they all said it was worth the money.
Albie....(using his porn screen name) is not an opportunist. He gives a money back guarantee. He doesn't teach anyone "Canned" stuff or gouge, more than anything he probably gives them a little confidence. (That....and I also heard his wife was hot!) As a side note, I was talking to a guy in an un-related field and he talked about how many people need "Grooming/Coaching" and are rusty at the interview game. There are plenty of people outside of aviation that do interview coaching/prep/career counseling. They provide the same service...I also think Emerald Coast preps people from all careers. (Unlike Kit)
The only guy that went to the sim and said that he didn't think he really needed it was a guy who teaches a simulator (different type) for another outfit. "But", he says.....I would hate to dork up a sim and lose the job over $400.00 (or whatever Albie Gouges....just joking.... had to get the gouge word there out of context, and thought it clever cause I insinuate falsely that you don't get what you pay for at Emerald Coast.
I did it without all that, and in today's environment, I wouldn't attempt an interview at FedEx without it....as long as you keep it in context. I think that anyone in today's environment would be a Jack@$$ if they didn't stack the deck in their favor. Kind of like taking a stand against the fairness of the "Grip and Grin" process....it is what it is. I am not on Albie's payroll...however I should hit him up for a frikin commission for all the business I've sent him. PFT, pay for interview prep.....who cares...the question to ask is was/is it a good investment after all, this is not "God and Country", this is business. Every one I talked to seems to be a satisfied customer...but what do I know?
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Sounds like there's a story here...
RAC,
Are you saying that if you got the opportunity to interview for your dream job you wouldn't be sure to stack the deck in your favor to better your chances? Especially when so many people who have successfully gone before you recommend it. I hardly believe that. If so, your judgment is as bad as your spelling!
RAC,
Are you saying that if you got the opportunity to interview for your dream job you wouldn't be sure to stack the deck in your favor to better your chances? Especially when so many people who have successfully gone before you recommend it. I hardly believe that. If so, your judgment is as bad as your spelling!
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RAC,
I had a meeting with Jack Lewis last year to address your very concerns. The fact is we DO NOT have any inside info on FDX interviews. If inside info was required, we would not be effective at helping people with AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, UPS, Jetblue, NetJets or a host of other places where our team does not work. Most of our work has been with the LCCs anyway, not with FDX.
All we have offered is solid communication training. If you were an executive going to an interview, more than likely your headhunter firm will do some work to "polish" you and help you communicate your strengths more effectively. In a nutshell--that is what we have done for over 3 years.
Interviewing on your own merit sounds solid and reasonable, but the stakes are high and there are so few good jobs around right now people want to make sure they do their very best. How did you learn to fly an ILS to 200 & 1/2? Did you jump right into your plane and dive into it? More than likely, you worked a long time to get those skills piece by piece, and you practiced and practiced and practiced in a sim before doing the real thing. A good interview coaching session is like the academics and sim phase of your training. You still have to execute during IOE, but by warming up your hands (or in the case of interviewing your head and mouth!) you are a lot more likely to say the things that you want to get across rather than just blundering through your answers. RAC--looks like you were military. Did you practice your briefings or presenations before presenting them to the higher ups with a dry run or two? If so--did it make you "fake or phony" or did it simply help you do YOUR briefing more effectively? A lot of what I do is similar to an IPUG F-15 debrief--help people tell their material in a more effective, interesting, and succint fashion.
Flying evaluations in a sim you have never flown are by nature very challenging. Why do we do a warm up before a PC? Most would say the answer would be to knock off the rust and get your head in the game. A sim prep is basically the same thing--you cannot teach a guy or gal with poor flying skills to "bluff" through the process. However, you can take that guy who's been flying glass in his CRJ or 757 or isn't used to turbojet responses (tubroprop guys from regionals/C130s/King Airs, etc) and help him/her get back up to speed.
These communication skills are honed not just in airline interviews, but in a host of other endevours outside aviation. Our team has a host of communication experience both inside and outside avaition--I've got certified CRM instructors, adverstising salespeople, business owners, and my bride is even the president of a local political party (I'll leave it off--I don't mess with the political discussions on the boards) and has done media coaching for some local political candidates. The stuff we teach helps people communicate--not only for job interviews but for a host of applications.
As for the Kit Darby reference--I agree. I hated seeing guys and gals spend tons of money over empty promises, so ever since we started this business we have had a money back guarantee--if you don't get hired you owe nothing. So...you may or may not agree the service is necessary, but I certainly do NOT want to be considered someone who takes advantage of folks. I think anyone who has worked with us would agree we were solid and reputatable. If I am an opportunist, it was only because I saw a way to help good people do their best, not screw them over with empty promises.
And also--lots and lots and lots of people get hired without ANY prep. There is no requirement for anyone to do any of these things. So--it is up to the individual to decide if they think they need the extra help. There is no blanket answer for everyone--its a very personal decision. And we are certainly not the only game in town--lots of folks like Cheryl Cage and Judy Tarver et. al have been doing this stuff for years, so there are plenty of choices for those that might be interested.
I had a meeting with Jack Lewis last year to address your very concerns. The fact is we DO NOT have any inside info on FDX interviews. If inside info was required, we would not be effective at helping people with AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, UPS, Jetblue, NetJets or a host of other places where our team does not work. Most of our work has been with the LCCs anyway, not with FDX.
All we have offered is solid communication training. If you were an executive going to an interview, more than likely your headhunter firm will do some work to "polish" you and help you communicate your strengths more effectively. In a nutshell--that is what we have done for over 3 years.
Interviewing on your own merit sounds solid and reasonable, but the stakes are high and there are so few good jobs around right now people want to make sure they do their very best. How did you learn to fly an ILS to 200 & 1/2? Did you jump right into your plane and dive into it? More than likely, you worked a long time to get those skills piece by piece, and you practiced and practiced and practiced in a sim before doing the real thing. A good interview coaching session is like the academics and sim phase of your training. You still have to execute during IOE, but by warming up your hands (or in the case of interviewing your head and mouth!) you are a lot more likely to say the things that you want to get across rather than just blundering through your answers. RAC--looks like you were military. Did you practice your briefings or presenations before presenting them to the higher ups with a dry run or two? If so--did it make you "fake or phony" or did it simply help you do YOUR briefing more effectively? A lot of what I do is similar to an IPUG F-15 debrief--help people tell their material in a more effective, interesting, and succint fashion.
Flying evaluations in a sim you have never flown are by nature very challenging. Why do we do a warm up before a PC? Most would say the answer would be to knock off the rust and get your head in the game. A sim prep is basically the same thing--you cannot teach a guy or gal with poor flying skills to "bluff" through the process. However, you can take that guy who's been flying glass in his CRJ or 757 or isn't used to turbojet responses (tubroprop guys from regionals/C130s/King Airs, etc) and help him/her get back up to speed.
These communication skills are honed not just in airline interviews, but in a host of other endevours outside aviation. Our team has a host of communication experience both inside and outside avaition--I've got certified CRM instructors, adverstising salespeople, business owners, and my bride is even the president of a local political party (I'll leave it off--I don't mess with the political discussions on the boards) and has done media coaching for some local political candidates. The stuff we teach helps people communicate--not only for job interviews but for a host of applications.
As for the Kit Darby reference--I agree. I hated seeing guys and gals spend tons of money over empty promises, so ever since we started this business we have had a money back guarantee--if you don't get hired you owe nothing. So...you may or may not agree the service is necessary, but I certainly do NOT want to be considered someone who takes advantage of folks. I think anyone who has worked with us would agree we were solid and reputatable. If I am an opportunist, it was only because I saw a way to help good people do their best, not screw them over with empty promises.
And also--lots and lots and lots of people get hired without ANY prep. There is no requirement for anyone to do any of these things. So--it is up to the individual to decide if they think they need the extra help. There is no blanket answer for everyone--its a very personal decision. And we are certainly not the only game in town--lots of folks like Cheryl Cage and Judy Tarver et. al have been doing this stuff for years, so there are plenty of choices for those that might be interested.
Laughing_Jakal
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...a big jet to make up for a small Johnson? Guess that explains why I am on the 727!
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