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As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.
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That makes me proud for belonging to a such wonderful profession. Extraordinary well done job Fedex family. I salute you and all my respects to you and to the families. My humble considerations to the two heroes who knew how to be pilots until last moments. Same way, it is said, an actor's most wish is to exit life acting in front of a full audience, same way they exit life doing what they loved most, flying planes. May their souls rest in peace.
 
RockyMnt1 said:
As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.
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Very impressive, a class act by all involved
 
TJ Satterfield

TJ Satterfield,

From a fellow Gemini pilot I am so embarrassed that you would post such rubbish. You were an embarrassment while you were at Gemini and you still are one now at Ethiopian.

FedEx and the aviation community lost 2 great pilots and their families are deeply affected by this tragic incident.

I would suggest that you do some soul searching because you need to find some compassion.
 
xshuttlefa said:
Holy $hi!

I've seen a 172 bounce like that on landing (we probably all have) but never an airplane like the MD 11.
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That's what I thought when watching it. Just given the sheer size of an MD-11, the vertical distance traveled in the bounce must have have been quite large.

I can't even begin to imagine what a violent ride that must have been for those guys.
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tjsatter said:
Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj
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I haven't been in this forum for a over a year now, but I felt compelled to find my user name and password just to log in and say what an idiot this guy is and what a disgrace to Gemini he is for saying this. He has disrespected some of the best people I knew at Gemini and now continues to disrespect people he doesn't know at Fedex about a subject that he has little knowledge on.

TJ, your type rating in this airplane makes you no expert on accidents and the multitude of factors that contribute to them.. let the NTSB and other professionals tell us what they "think" happened and keep your idiotic views to yourself.

out.
 
It is painfully obvious that TJ should never be in charge of any cockpit. There is something very wrong with him. An accident that happens that fast could happen to the most gifted aviator. God bless our brothers.
 
The problem with aviation is, there's always a TJSATTER in the group. These are the people that are corrosive and toxic to the industry and pilot group. They lack the knowledge, skills, and professionalism that the majority show. Even thou this is a forum to express ones opinion, they can't help but show there true ignorance and lack of judgement...As a FEDEX pilot, I would like to thank all of those pilots who posted words of encouragement and sorrow...For the TJSATTERS....just sit in the corner and keep quiet....
 
Two Questions:
1. I have been told that FedEx procedures require that the Autothrottles remain engaged when hand flying the MD-11. Is this TRUE ?
2. What is the Max Landing Weight for the FedEx MD-11 ?
 
YPRES
I don't know what Fedex's policy is regarding handflying and use of autothrottles, but it shouldn't be an issue-we were taught from day 1 that you should leave your hand on the throttles to 'help' especially in gusty conditions as they can lag trying to compensate for speed changes due to its inertia (ans to Q2: 491,500#). Also, I believe Fedex has moved away from the rule of 'operating to the highest level of automation' to one of ' maintaining proficiency at all levels of automation'.
 
Lequip said:
Looked like a Robin Sclair Landing.
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That's unfair..

A) that was a DC10 (MD10)...
B) there was practically no wind (relatively) in her case.. unless you count normal x-winds as significant.
C) those two guys were cut from a different aviation cloth.
 
FMS-Speed said:
That's unfair..

A) that was a DC10 (MD10)...
B) there was practically no wind (relatively) in her case.. unless you count normal x-winds as significant.
C) those two guys were cut from a different aviation cloth.
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That and the fact that she is, of course, still alive.
 
Off topic but MD-11 related...anyone know the bank angle required to strike an engine pod? I cannot find it in my old manuals.
 
There was another crash a while back where the raw facts that came out the first day indicated also in a clear and unambiguous manner that the principle cause was pilot error, blatant lack of basic flying skills. I said as much on a message board also then that the cause was clear. At that time I was working at a company that this same individual had worked for and many people were personally acquainted with him. And I was condemned then also with much vitriolic rhetoric and comments as to what a Fine Human being and a great pilot he was etc. etc. etc. Well, if he was such a great pilot than why is he dead? Was my comeback. And to die because he was stupid, very sad. Same comments then also as to how only the great and wise NTSB could be the only ones to form a meaningful opinion as to the cause and who was I, a mere mortal, to actually make use of my aviation knowledge and form an independent opinion. Yeah, right, whatever....


Eventually after a lengthy period of deliberation during which ALPA and other interested parties tried to muddy the blatant pilot incompetence with such nonsense as “core-lock” etc they issued their report which was far more damning than anything I had ever put out and said in so many words and then some that the conclusions I and others had come to within the first day was correct and in fact the reality was even worse as to their lack of basic pilot skills and judgment.


The simple fact is that these days when the technology of large transport category aircraft design and operation is fairly mature (unlike many who post on this forum) Many accidents are in fact pilot error and intelligent, knowledgeable people in the field can often times speculate and come to fairly accurate opinions fairly quickly. It is well and proper that we do this. We should all examine in an unemotional manner the mistakes of others so as to learn from them and make different mistakes next time. For every Airbus that goes into the Hudson or DC10 into Sioux City's there are a hundred or more FedEx, Pinnacle, ComAir, Canary Island etc etc etc ad nauseum. We should all recognize, acknowledge, and learn from the mistakes of others so as not to repeat them.


My original point had less to do with the facts of this specific case than with the fact that honest, unemotional speculation and discussion of such things was simply not possible on the Internet anymore but this was not always the case. It doesn't have to be this way. It is cowardly, rhetorically speaking, to ignore a man's words and attack his character because you don't like his words all the while hiding behind some cute, phoney pseudonymous “screen name”. Similarly cowardly is admins who delete posts and censor views they don't like or agree with.


I return you now to your cesspool of filth and immaturity. Flame Away.


tj
 
FMS-Speed said:
What it doesn't tell you is that she failed that DH-8 upgrade not once, but twice at that airline...

like I said, cut from a different cloth.
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As I recall reading, she failed that second attempt so miserably, they had her retake her ATP ride. Plus she had a lengthy history of ETOH problems.

And still FedEx hired her.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/AAR0501.pdf
 
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flyboyike said:
As I recall reading, she failed that second attempt so miserably, they had her retake her ATP ride. Plus she had a lengthy history of ETOH problems.

And still FedEx hired her.

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/AAR0501.pdf
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AMAZING !!!

I loved the part where Robyn Sclair briefed that she wanted to bring the slats out early and get configured because she was "still unfamiliar with MEM" WTF!!! She had been with FedEx for over 7 years and she is still unfamiliar with MEM?? I also liked the part where she missed the heading at BOWEN and acted all suprised when the Captain called her turn for her at BOWEN intersection. Good thing FedEx finally wised up and fined her sorry a$$.
 

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