Fedex incident in NRT right now.. anyone heard anything?

[semperfido]

. One does not dare do so now even though to this MD11 pilot it is quite obvious what they did wrong.

How does that saying go? Aviation, like the sea, is unforgiving of any incapacity or negelect? This was human error.

tj

Man, you are way out of line with that comment. A real flamer.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

I knew the FO pretty well, I flew with him at his previous airline. He is a good stick; Tony flew large transports in the Air Force. I flew the MD11 for a while as well. Let's not play Monday morning QB! Godspeed Tony!

 

[tjsatter]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

 

[brokeflyer]

sounds like someone hit a nerve.

 

[filejw]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

What a quality guy......

 

[av8tor76]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

I'd venture to say you have/are in the process of burning ALL bridges...hope you really like Addis

 

[Colonel Savage]

Flamebait. Some people just like beatings.

 

[Flyer8]

TJsatter...What a complete ***********************************...6000 hrs and already an expert FO...I have more time standing at urinals in large airplanes,but I can't ever remember meeting a more pompus FO than you...I am glad to be near the end of my career just so I don't have to worry about ever having to climb on an airplane with you..What goes around comes around and you have a lot of stuff heading your way..

 

[Fedora]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

That's just the sort of post that always gets you in trouble, TJ.
Your few hundred hours in the MD-11 certainly doesn't make you an expert on the aircraft by any means, especially after just barely making it through initial training. Yeah, you've burned the bridge with me for sure. It's a good thing that I don't know anyone in the industry, huh? This business is a lot smaller community than you realize. I can't believe that you have no idea why all those other Gemini 11 pilots got hired at World and you didn't?
Attitudes like yours are not good in this industry. You will surely rise to the level that you deserve.
Adios.

 

[pipe]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

Clearly you have thought this through. Looking at your profile I'm sure you've been able to compare the handling characteristics of the MD-11 to those of the other massive transports on your list. Clearly the MD-11 is your favorite airliner -- oh wait -- it's your only airliner. You must be a real treat to fly with.

PIPE

 

[Cobra17]

If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11.

tj

Wow, the ability to determine the cause of an accident from a grainy 10 second airport video. I'll bet the NTSB would love to have a TOOL like you at their disposal.

 

[BeeVee]

My friend, Tony Pino.....

I had the honor and privelege of knowing Tony Pino the past 12 years....not only as a fellow Air Force aviator, but as a good friend. He was an excellent pilot and truly "good people". The kind of guy you looked forward to heading out on the road with for a few days trip.
His funeral will be held in San Antonio this coming Monday.
Prayers for the entire Pino family.
BeeVee

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

That was terrible to watch, and I have the most awful feeling in the pit of my stomach, because I went to ALPA Basic Safety School with some FedEx MD-11 folks.
As far as the accident, I think it is more compelling to question what we didn't see vs. what we didn't. Primarily if they had the airplane in a stablilzed approach/on-speed for any additives. Awful accident to witness, even if just on the news.

I too had the pleasure of sharing the same BSS class and plenty of beer with those FedEx folks. A finer group of pilots is not to be found, I assure you... Every one of them was a class act.

I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers over the coming days and months. I am very sorry for your loss.

 

[jimcav]

Clearly you have thought this through. Looking at your profile I'm sure you've been able to compare the handling characteristics of the MD-11 to those of the other massive transports on your list. Clearly the MD-11 is your favorite airliner -- oh wait -- it's your only airliner. You must be a real treat to fly with.

PIPE

My sentiments exactly. Nothing better than a know it all rj guy to tell us how its done. God rest those guys and be with their families.

 

[Minimaniac]

What I saw in the video...

This is not a armchair QB moment. I just observed something that piqued my interest. If anyone sees it differently, please by all means chime in.

It appears to me that the aircraft touched down on the mains (albeit firmly), and the mains stuck. The nose was then lowered and came back up off the runway. In this time though, the mains appear to remain planted on the runway. Having bounced my fair share of planes, even larger ones, I must say that I have never seen main tires stay in contact with the runway so long on a "bounce". The mains come off only after the nose gear comes down and then departs the runway surface again. Even then, there is a delay until the mains lift again.

To me, it seems that the landing should have been successful. The mains were down, and remained down for a decent amount of time. I would venture to say that some sort of pilot-initiated abort occurred prior to the initial touchdown, or at least a significant increase in power that then caused the aircraft to power back off the runway. I am not faulting anyone. If there was an abort decision, I am sure it was justified. it just appears to me that, if the pilots had been so inclined, the aircraft was done flying upon the initial touchdown. The video is quite grainy, so I may be seeing things wrong.

I offer my observation up only as a point of discussion, and not as an attack upon the crew's airmanship or decision making skills. I know heavy aircraft can and do touchdown after a low altitude go-around is initiated. Perhaps the aircraft did not keep up with pilot demands and hindered their go-around procedure.

Any feedback?

 

[goodgig]

What I saw in the video...

This is not a armchair QB moment.

Any feedback?

Sure seems like QB to me.
Anyways, I don't understand your point. This is stuff that will all come out at the report, and supposition like this is just mental masturbation.

 

[RockyMnt1]

As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.

 

[Flyer8]

Thanks for a wonderful post...We often forget that this business is still a very dangerous and unforgiving occupation. When tragedy does strike,it is heartening to know that both management and their peers came together to show respect to these fallen pilots and their families.

 

[JFReservist]

As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.

First Class, all the way. What a tremendous show of respect by all involved.

 

[FutureHeavyAC]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

tjsatter.......couldn't get hired at FedEx huh?

 

[countbat]

As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.

That makes me proud for belonging to a such wonderful profession. Extraordinary well done job Fedex family. I salute you and all my respects to you and to the families. My humble considerations to the two heroes who knew how to be pilots until last moments. Same way, it is said, an actor's most wish is to exit life acting in front of a full audience, same way they exit life doing what they loved most, flying planes. May their souls rest in peace.

 

[Limeyflyer]

As all of you know, one of the fallen pilots was based on San Antonio. First Officer Tony Pino is a retired Air Force officer and has been flying with FedEx for a little over 3 years. He usually flew international and was primarily flying out of ANC. On Friday the 13th of this month, Pino jumpseated out of San Antonio for the last time with a promise to his wife that he would be home Thursday the 26th. Today, we received about 12 of the Pino family and friends on the ramp along with 35 uniformed pilots and approx 70 of our FedEx family to fulfill that promise.

In Narita, Japan there were a number of pilots in full uniform to present the remains of both pilots to the aircraft and see the flight off. In Oakland for a “gas and go” there were 25+ full uniformed pilots that went up the stairs and paid respects to the fallen ones. In MEM a full color guard received the two and took them to a hangar where Fred Smith, Dave Bronczek and a large number of executives received 400-500 pilots and personnel that were bused to pay respects. My understanding is that Mr. Smith was there for the duration. People signed a book for each family.

After which, Captain Mosely was flown to Portland Oregon this morning where the Ramp Team received the family and had approx 80 employees lined up on the nose dock. Their operation was without any issues or concerns and was a very moving presentation according to the Senior Manager.

F/O Pino was taken to a MEM funeral home and escorted for 12 hours by 2 crew until time for the dayturn show time. A full honor presentation accompanied the loading. Flowers were also sent to the MEM funeral home and all of those were loaded on our flight 379 along with crewmen (2 were formal escorts). Our pilots were not ever left without escort from Japan until the funerals and will not be unless the family requests otherwise.

At San Antonio, it rained today until approx 1400hrs, skies cleared and the sun came out. It was a beautiful afternoon. We received the family and parked them on the tarmac at approx 1650hrs along with the guests and uniformed crew. We made arrangements to have the flight land on the closest runway and touched down straight across from our ramp with a perfect landing. The aircraft blocked at 1734hrs and the flowers from Mr. Smith (gorgeous 6’ tall arrangement) and the book signed by all in MEM were presented to the widow and 3 boys. Tony’s mother and other family were also present.

The body was covered with the American flag and the pilots and honor guard stayed at full attention then moved to salute when the pallet started in motion forward. It was lowered and the honor guard stepped up on the loader. Mrs. Pino came forward with her son, hugged the casket and spent a few moments with her late husband. She retreated and the transfer was completed to the hearse with proper respect and military bearing.

I have a ramp agent that indicated in his 32 years with FedEx it was the proudest moment he has experienced. Our FedEx Team did an exceptional job of honoring these two pilots and I am proud also to report that the SATR Team was able to finish equally strong. Our loader operator, stairs, marshaller and others were absolutely perfect in their execution. One of the pilots I authorized to be here was in full UPS uniform and he was absolutely awed by the respectfulness.

Very impressive, a class act by all involved

 

[DC10av8r]

TJ Satterfield

TJ Satterfield,

From a fellow Gemini pilot I am so embarrassed that you would post such rubbish. You were an embarrassment while you were at Gemini and you still are one now at Ethiopian.

FedEx and the aviation community lost 2 great pilots and their families are deeply affected by this tragic incident.

I would suggest that you do some soul searching because you need to find some compassion.

 

[dojetdriver]

Holy $hi!

I've seen a 172 bounce like that on landing (we probably all have) but never an airplane like the MD 11.
/quote]

That's what I thought when watching it. Just given the sheer size of an MD-11, the vertical distance traveled in the bounce must have have been quite large.

I can't even begin to imagine what a violent ride that must have been for those guys.

 

[HA25]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

I haven't been in this forum for a over a year now, but I felt compelled to find my user name and password just to log in and say what an idiot this guy is and what a disgrace to Gemini he is for saying this. He has disrespected some of the best people I knew at Gemini and now continues to disrespect people he doesn't know at Fedex about a subject that he has little knowledge on.

TJ, your type rating in this airplane makes you no expert on accidents and the multitude of factors that contribute to them.. let the NTSB and other professionals tell us what they "think" happened and keep your idiotic views to yourself.

out.

 

[AA767FB]

It is painfully obvious that TJ should never be in charge of any cockpit. There is something very wrong with him. An accident that happens that fast could happen to the most gifted aviator. God bless our brothers.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

The problem with aviation is, there's always a TJSATTER in the group. These are the people that are corrosive and toxic to the industry and pilot group. They lack the knowledge, skills, and professionalism that the majority show. Even thou this is a forum to express ones opinion, they can't help but show there true ignorance and lack of judgement...As a FEDEX pilot, I would like to thank all of those pilots who posted words of encouragement and sorrow...For the TJSATTERS....just sit in the corner and keep quiet....

 

[Ypres]

Two Questions:
1. I have been told that FedEx procedures require that the Autothrottles remain engaged when hand flying the MD-11. Is this TRUE ?
2. What is the Max Landing Weight for the FedEx MD-11 ?

 

[waddawurld]

YPRES
I don't know what Fedex's policy is regarding handflying and use of autothrottles, but it shouldn't be an issue-we were taught from day 1 that you should leave your hand on the throttles to 'help' especially in gusty conditions as they can lag trying to compensate for speed changes due to its inertia (ans to Q2: 491,500#). Also, I believe Fedex has moved away from the rule of 'operating to the highest level of automation' to one of ' maintaining proficiency at all levels of automation'.

 

[Lequip]

Looked like a Robin Sclair Landing.