Fedex incident in NRT right now.. anyone heard anything?

[semperfido]

. One does not dare do so now even though to this MD11 pilot it is quite obvious what they did wrong.

How does that saying go? Aviation, like the sea, is unforgiving of any incapacity or negelect? This was human error.

tj

Man, you are way out of line with that comment. A real flamer.

 

[Chronic Jetlag]

I knew the FO pretty well, I flew with him at his previous airline. He is a good stick; Tony flew large transports in the Air Force. I flew the MD11 for a while as well. Let's not play Monday morning QB! Godspeed Tony!

 

[tjsatter]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

 

[brokeflyer]

sounds like someone hit a nerve.

 

[filejw]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

What a quality guy......

 

[av8tor76]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

I'd venture to say you have/are in the process of burning ALL bridges...hope you really like Addis

 

[Colonel Savage]

Flamebait. Some people just like beatings.

 

[Flyer8]

TJsatter...What a complete ***********************************...6000 hrs and already an expert FO...I have more time standing at urinals in large airplanes,but I can't ever remember meeting a more pompus FO than you...I am glad to be near the end of my career just so I don't have to worry about ever having to climb on an airplane with you..What goes around comes around and you have a lot of stuff heading your way..

 

[Fedora]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

That's just the sort of post that always gets you in trouble, TJ.
Your few hundred hours in the MD-11 certainly doesn't make you an expert on the aircraft by any means, especially after just barely making it through initial training. Yeah, you've burned the bridge with me for sure. It's a good thing that I don't know anyone in the industry, huh? This business is a lot smaller community than you realize. I can't believe that you have no idea why all those other Gemini 11 pilots got hired at World and you didn't?
Attitudes like yours are not good in this industry. You will surely rise to the level that you deserve.
Adios.

 

[pipe]

Yeah right, whatever...

It's very clear that it was pilot stupidity and incompetence that caused this crash. If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11. This was boneheaded pilot mistakes of the sort to be expected from a 152 pilot NOT an MD11. That's 3 that FedeX has taken out; damn shame to ruin such a fine airplane. that leaves 194

And Walt, You, Boyko, and all the other wankers on that worthless forum without a real job can have intercourse with yourselves. I am unaware of any ban as I deleted all links to that cesspool afer I noticed Boyko deleting politcally incorrect "non-standard" posts

tj

Clearly you have thought this through. Looking at your profile I'm sure you've been able to compare the handling characteristics of the MD-11 to those of the other massive transports on your list. Clearly the MD-11 is your favorite airliner -- oh wait -- it's your only airliner. You must be a real treat to fly with.

PIPE

 

[Cobra17]

If you think otherwise it is as obvious that you did not see the same video I did and/or have never flown the MD11.

tj

Wow, the ability to determine the cause of an accident from a grainy 10 second airport video. I'll bet the NTSB would love to have a TOOL like you at their disposal.

 

[BeeVee]

My friend, Tony Pino.....

I had the honor and privelege of knowing Tony Pino the past 12 years....not only as a fellow Air Force aviator, but as a good friend. He was an excellent pilot and truly "good people". The kind of guy you looked forward to heading out on the road with for a few days trip.
His funeral will be held in San Antonio this coming Monday.
Prayers for the entire Pino family.
BeeVee

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

That was terrible to watch, and I have the most awful feeling in the pit of my stomach, because I went to ALPA Basic Safety School with some FedEx MD-11 folks.
As far as the accident, I think it is more compelling to question what we didn't see vs. what we didn't. Primarily if they had the airplane in a stablilzed approach/on-speed for any additives. Awful accident to witness, even if just on the news.

I too had the pleasure of sharing the same BSS class and plenty of beer with those FedEx folks. A finer group of pilots is not to be found, I assure you... Every one of them was a class act.

I will keep you all in my thoughts and prayers over the coming days and months. I am very sorry for your loss.

 

[jimcav]

Clearly you have thought this through. Looking at your profile I'm sure you've been able to compare the handling characteristics of the MD-11 to those of the other massive transports on your list. Clearly the MD-11 is your favorite airliner -- oh wait -- it's your only airliner. You must be a real treat to fly with.

PIPE

My sentiments exactly. Nothing better than a know it all rj guy to tell us how its done. God rest those guys and be with their families.

 

[Minimaniac]

What I saw in the video...

This is not a armchair QB moment. I just observed something that piqued my interest. If anyone sees it differently, please by all means chime in.

It appears to me that the aircraft touched down on the mains (albeit firmly), and the mains stuck. The nose was then lowered and came back up off the runway. In this time though, the mains appear to remain planted on the runway. Having bounced my fair share of planes, even larger ones, I must say that I have never seen main tires stay in contact with the runway so long on a "bounce". The mains come off only after the nose gear comes down and then departs the runway surface again. Even then, there is a delay until the mains lift again.

To me, it seems that the landing should have been successful. The mains were down, and remained down for a decent amount of time. I would venture to say that some sort of pilot-initiated abort occurred prior to the initial touchdown, or at least a significant increase in power that then caused the aircraft to power back off the runway. I am not faulting anyone. If there was an abort decision, I am sure it was justified. it just appears to me that, if the pilots had been so inclined, the aircraft was done flying upon the initial touchdown. The video is quite grainy, so I may be seeing things wrong.

I offer my observation up only as a point of discussion, and not as an attack upon the crew's airmanship or decision making skills. I know heavy aircraft can and do touchdown after a low altitude go-around is initiated. Perhaps the aircraft did not keep up with pilot demands and hindered their go-around procedure.

Any feedback?