Falcon 50ex

[54fighting]

In closing, the Legacy is a great corporate shuttle, I'll give it that. But it's a regional airliner, not a corporate aircraft. EMB missed the boat on many things in developing the Legacy, if they planned on making it a true corporate contender.

Couldn't have said it better!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Uh I said *coupled* VNAV. The EMB *has* VNAV. It is also steep approach certified which Dassaults and Gulfstreams are not as I recall.


I generally flew the Legacy at M 0.795 and I fly the 50 at M 0.800 so frankly there's no difference to me. Also, you don't fly a Gulfstream, Falcon, etc. etc. At MMO any way unless you are a fuel wasting idiot. YMMV.

No matter how fast a 50EX flies the Legacy outranges it at max payload, so spare me how great Falcons are.

What else?

Oh yes... MTOW BFL is only 380' different. MTOW in EMB assumes 13 pax and 8 for a Falcon. Put 8 in both and the BFL is almost identical. Considering the EMB is 10,000 lbs heavier than the 50 I say that makes it a pretty good performer.


And if I have to do a highspeed RTO I will take the EMB. I don't have to monkey with a tiller or anything like that. She will track the centerline without the slightest waiver in direction and stop very fast. My TRs will actually do something even if I only have one, too, should I use them, as opposed the glorified noisemaker in the 50...

Legacy is equally adept at corporate shuttle or executive missions. It does the same things everyone else does and does it better in many ways.

EMB has sold 150 of them in 6 1/2 years. That's a pace that outstrips what the Falcon 50 did considerably. Embraer *hardly* missed the boat. Some things could be improved, but it is an outstanding *corporate* (executive) jet. Sales figures, performance, and market share prove it.

 

[CRJCA]

LegacyDriver:

Go around man! Abort! Abort! Abort!

 

[LegacyDriver]

LegacyDriver:

Go around man! Abort! Abort! Abort!

No doubt. Hopefully the original poster got his money's worth!

*poof*

 

[hgi2006]

I generally flew the Legacy at M 0.795 and I fly the 50 at M 0.800 so frankly there's no difference to me. Also, you don't fly a Gulfstream, Falcon, etc. etc. At MMO any way unless you are a fuel wasting idiot. YMMV.

Of course you don't operate a Gulfstream at Mmo. Mmo in the G550 is Mach .885. It's routinely flown at Mach .85 though.

EMB has sold 150 of them in 6 1/2 years. That's a pace that outstrips what the Falcon 50 did considerably. Embraer *hardly* missed the boat. Some things could be improved, but it is an outstanding *corporate* (executive) jet. Sales figures, performance, and market share prove it.

Yeah, that's why you see Legacy's all over TEB. Because it's such a popular corporate jet.

 

[LJ45]

getting the popcorn ready, it has been a while since we got LD all wound up...LOL

 

[con-pilot]

It is also steep approach certified which Dassaults and Gulfstream are not as I recall.

I cannot speak for Gulfstream, however, the Falcon 50 and 900 are 100% approved for steep approaches, when applicable. Both are approved for approaches to London City Airport, but not by the FAA because the FAA, for some reason, refuses to approve steep approaches for US corporate aircraft for London City, the JAA does and have.

Are any Legacys approved for operations for London City?

 

[G100driver]

Falcon 900 is approved for steep approaches.

The only reason I can see is for approval to operate out of London City. But then again you have to be operating under JAR approved AFM.

Soo, the WSCofD cannot do steep approaches into London City if the crew and the aircraft are operating with a US N-number and a FAA certifed crew.

 

[Floyd94]

The yoke is ridiculous... I have a bit of time in a Hawker, and never grew used to the yoke.

Agreed, try landing with that yoke in a cross wind. Very uncomfortable and not "ergonomic" at all.

 

[Floyd94]

And if I have to do a highspeed RTO I will take the EMB. I don't have to monkey with a tiller or anything like that. She will track the centerline without the slightest waiver in direction and stop very fast. My TRs will actually do something even if I only have one, too, should I use them, as opposed the glorified noisemaker in the 50...

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Not me, the brakes on the EMB's suck compared to the DA products. If you did an RTO in the EMB, you'd be taxing around with your TR's deployed trying to "cool your brakes" so you could eventually set your parking brake again. The DA ships never have brake overheating problems like the EMB products.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Not me, the brakes on the EMB's suck compared to the DA products. If you did an RTO in the EMB, you'd be taxing around with your TR's deployed trying to "cool your brakes" so you could eventually set your parking brake again. The DA ships never have brake overheating problems like the EMB products.

I was gonna' keep my trap shut but this is just a flat out *lie*. When I was an F/O one of my Captains (new transition from the 340)tried to trim the airplane airborne like he did in the SAAB and caused a T/O Config warning at V1. She stopped without any problems at *all* as if we had grabbed an arresting hook. Before the buckets even popped we were stopped. The brakes got into the amber and nowhere near overheat.

We pulled to the penalty box and *immediately* set the parking brake while consulting company. Brakes *never* approached overheat. You, sir, are a GD liar. Youve never RTOed in an EMB.


You are full of s---.

Falcons don't stop *anywhere* near as well as EMBs do. Steel brakes vs Carbon with brake by wire? Gimme EMB brakes (the latter) any day, jam them to floor as hard as you can and watch the airplane stop on a *dime*. The Falcon brakes chatter and do all sorts of goofy stuff if you try to stomp on them at all. Anti-skid in Falcon is crap and if you have a problem you have to flip a lever. EMB? Automatic. Smooth. Just press.



I swear I've never met a bigger bunch of....

Bah.

 

[CRJCA]

Ok first of all, the EMB Legacy is approved for steep approach into London City. Second, North carolina State sucks, at all sports.

 

[CRJCA]

Oh yeah, and because I know what you clowns think before you think it. You dont need an EMB type certificate to know that. Do some research. Wait, oh yeah LD, myself and rumrunr78 are the same person.

 

[masedogg19]

Wait, oh yeah LD, myself and rumrunr78 are the same person.

Whether or not that is the case, it's getting old coming here for info and instead watching the "three" of you acting like a bunch of 'mos, massaging each other's "egos" the entire thread

 

[hgi2006]

The Falcon brakes chatter and do all sorts of goofy stuff if you try to stomp on them at all. Anti-skid in Falcon is crap and if you have a problem you have to flip a lever. EMB? Automatic. Smooth. Just press.

Two words - operator error.

The Falcon brakes work well, IF you use them properly. When I flew the Legacy on a demo, yeah the brakes were fine, but they DO get hot, even on landing. To deny that would be a lie.

LD - Like I said earlier in the thread, the Legacy is an ok corporate shuttle. As a corporate aircraft to fly executives around, it's not very good. It's slow, noisy, and quite honestly, over-priced for what it does. Compare it to a G-IV on the pre-owned market. Same price, and the G-IV does MUCH more.