ExpressJet and the mystery 69 airplanes!

[SkyBoy1981]

The company that had that mid-air in Brazil starts their legacy FO's at $85k/yr.

Source? I find it hard to believe that they are STARTING their FO's that high. NetJets doesn't even pay that much to start on the BBJ.

If the rumors of what the pay override will be hold to be true, the pay will be comparable to that of NetJets Aviation.

 

[ATRCA]

Have been told by several union types that the pay for the corp stuff will be "very comfortable" for all involved. The rub is that there will only be a few aircraft and only the IAH golden boys (training center pilot, mgt kissasses) will do the flying...

 

[SkyBoy1981]

The FO pay is going to have to be high...I think they will have a hard time finding FO's who are willing to leave the potential to upgrade on the line and the fixed schedule to be an indefinite FO with less days off per month on the corporate side.

 

[wheelsup]

Source? I find it hard to believe that they are STARTING their FO's that high. NetJets doesn't even pay that much to start on the BBJ.

I won't discuss on the public board. Check your PM's.

I think we can all admit corporate/135 stuff pays significantly better than the regionals, especially with the bigger equipment.

 

[dnkt]

I guess they better repay them 86,000 a year and retrain them on how to keep the transponder on during flight to avoid incoming aircraft.

 

[007]

So before I even begin this, let me stress this is what I heard from pilot recruiter A.N. (who was a complete b...., stating that XJT pays better than Horizon (errr, what?), and that "We're so much better than every other airline" that even if true, shouldn't be said so condescendingly). Anyway, this is purely speculation that came from someone who may or may not be "in the know." ... I personally think it's the dumbest thing I've heard in quite a bit but. "Did you know that if you take all the seats out of the 145 and put in couches it's the exact same as Embraer's Legacy? We're looking into that with a lot of interest." Also, she said, "We're not stupid enough to try anything like Independence Air, but if we did, we have $3 million in the bank, they had $0"

Did you believe everything the Army recruiter told you too, come on. Since when does HR at any company know what they are talking about.

 

[ROSWELL41]

I was at said career fair today. I was looking for a job and spoke with the Expressjet lead pilot recruiter. She said exactly what Lamp spoke of. Just vouching for what Lamp said.

 

[SuperKooter]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

Who has asked us as pilots to lower costs to get more flying? Perhaps our management does not wish to compete in the "race to the bottom" where everyone submits bids with ridiculously low profit margins just to get flying. As pilots we haven't been asked for any sort of paycuts nor has our management shown any interest in purchasing 70 seat airplanes. It just isn't part of their business plan.

 

[TNPILOT]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

I'm not going to defend Superpilot's koolaid drinking ability but your response couldn't be more uninformed. I don't believe XJT lost the bid because we were unwilling to lower our cost or out of some ego battle with CAL. Perhaps CAL's price was unrealistic for us. Perhaps even more likely, CAL just wanted to diversify and XJT's offer was meaningless.

By the way, what is your problem with XJT? You seem to have a real bone to pick with us. I saw your post about how you won't be happy until XJT is no more (or some derivative there of). If I'm not mistaken you are a CAL newhire from ASA perhaps? Wow how soon you forget where you came from. Since you once flew a CRJ what makes you so much better now Mr. big 73 FO at $30/hr. Were you not doing the same to Delta once as a CRJ pilot?

 

[SuperKooter]

Who has asked us as pilots to lower costs to get more flying? Perhaps our management does not wish to compete in the "race to the bottom" where everyone submits bids with ridiculously low profit margins just to get flying. As pilots we haven't been asked for any sort of paycuts nor has our management shown any interest in purchasing 70 seat airplanes. It just isn't part of their business plan.

And that is what is going to make xjt fail

 

[SkyBoy1981]

And that is what is going to make xjt fail

No one knows if we will fail or not...but I don't know what that has to do with your opinion of the pilots.

 

[TNPILOT]

And that is what is going to make xjt fail

So in other words, you encourage the race to the bottom? Wow, you'll fit in just fine with the CAL scabs with that attitude. Will you be singing the same tune when the CAL pilots cave on scope and CHQ or the like starts flying E170s for CAL? I bet you'll sing a different tune real fast.

 

[SuperKooter]

So in other words, you encourage the race to the bottom? Wow, you'll fit in just fine with the CAL scabs with that attitude. Will you be singing the same tune when the CAL pilots cave on scope and CHQ or the like starts flying E170s for CAL? I bet you'll sing a different tune real fast.

We will never let that happen.

 

[TNPILOT]

We will never let that happen.

I hope not. However you haven't been around too long. CAL votes yes on everything.