ExpressJet and the mystery 69 airplanes!

[TNPILOT]

I just realised after reading his old posts that I fell for this d'bag hook, line, and sinker...go away kooter.

 

[SMOE]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

Just another example of someone's fair-haired son being hired based on DNA and not personality or experience.
And by the way, hiring is still going strong and upgrades are still at the two year point.

 

[Superpilot92]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

Hey numb nutzz, first off you dont know me. Second i love where i work right now because i am based at home. I am from Houston, my whole family is in Houston. You see your basis on why i like my job is off. Not Koolaid , there are things out side of aviation you know. I am treated well at my job and I am around my family ALOT. Thats what makes me like my job numbnutzz. Good Luck at CAL just remember how you got there!!

 

[FlyinPiker]

Good Luck at CAL just remember how you got there!!

My bet is he was the catcher.

 

[Smash312]

We here at XJT could not care a dang bit about what you percieve to have heard a "Pilot Recruiter" tell you about our future and the 69 jets. For starters if you look at XJT holdings public financial reports you will find something like 300 million dollars in cash, not 3 million. You will also find that our XRJ's are nothing like a Legacy, even if you did put a couple of couches and a mini-bar in them.

What the future holds for us is up for debate, but posting completely worthless information is actually counter productive to any point you were trying to make. With that said I do have some optomisim that my company will be successful in the future no matter what they do with the 69 jets we are keeping.

If you look at the big picture of where our little slice of the industry (the regionals) is going, you might want to thank the ex INDY pilots for having the bravery to stick it out at their company to the end. INDY left the template for what to, and what not to do for any other regional that decides to strike out on their own. Remember the old addage about being the lead dog??

Oh and just to make you feel better...... The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!

Why do people get so defensive about 'their' regional?? C'mon they're all shyte - they're all with a little bit of each other. Why get ready to kill each other over petty stuff?

 

[dooork]

Who has asked us as pilots to lower costs to get more flying? Perhaps our management does not wish to compete in the "race to the bottom" where everyone submits bids with ridiculously low profit margins just to get flying. As pilots we haven't been asked for any sort of paycuts nor has our management shown any interest in purchasing 70 seat airplanes. It just isn't part of their business plan.

Yor only code share partner.

 

[superrav]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

Hey guys,

I think if your going to say ******************** about another airline or a pilot group..you f$$king sign your POST WITH YOUR REAL NAME...im tired of freaking guys talking ******************** with no balls..
ravi patel

 

[Griswold]

Source? I find it hard to believe that they are STARTING their FO's that high. NetJets doesn't even pay that much to start on the BBJ.

If the rumors of what the pay override will be hold to be true, the pay will be comparable to that of NetJets Aviation.

Maybe for an FO, but if you look at what a 10 yr CA at NetJets makes, comparing an XJ with a Falcon, that is around 167,000. No why in hell Express is going to pay us that much for us. So yes, I hate to say it, but if we start this corporate thing, NetJets will be pissed b/c we are lowering the bar. Just look at their pay scale on airlinepilotcentral.com

 

[wahoo250]

just wanted to say I am no longer with expressjet but was there. my opinion...good company great people ********************ty industry. i wouldnt go back to an airline if someone paid me. maybe down the line sometime but i dont want to be a part of evolution. my life is too short to go to work everyday and worry about work when im home. i finally can say i dont do that. I wish the people at express good luck. At least the management and the people have the balls to stand up and try something other than take cuts to bleed more from an already open wound.

 

[ATRCA]

The Problem with XJT pilots is their egos. They are also very big on the koolaid. Just read superpilots' messages he just LOVES xjt. Problem is much like ASA and Comair Xjt is starting to shrink and soon will have 6 year upgrades like Comair and ASA. All because they didn't want to lower their costs and get some more flying.

I am to assume that you will be continually willing to sacrafice your salary to your employer so that they can "lower costs" and win new contracts? If so, pity, you discrace yourself and the profession.

 

[ATRCA]

And that is what is going to make xjt fail

Pilot with a scab mentality working at the holy grail of scab airlines. You are in good company at CAL.

 

[ATRCA]

We will never let that happen.

We? What we new guy? You know nothing of CAL, its history and the poor showing the pilots at CAL have had virtually their entire history. You may be on the senority list but you have much to learn. I was flying that brand and attenting union meetings with scabs before you upgraded at ASA I would imagine. You will see. They have a capacity for caving and infighting that is simply without equal in our business.

 

[ERJFO]

We will never let that happen.

Just like you would "never let PBS happen"

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Maybe for an FO, but if you look at what a 10 yr CA at NetJets makes, comparing an XJ with a Falcon, that is around 167,000. No why in hell Express is going to pay us that much for us. So yes, I hate to say it, but if we start this corporate thing, NetJets will be pissed b/c we are lowering the bar. Just look at their pay scale on airlinepilotcentral.com

I agree...I would be very surprised for us to have a CA pay scale that compares to that. I doubt we will be big enough to really be of any threat to NetJets though.

 

[Fallingbrick]

I agree...I would be very surprised for us to have a CA pay scale that compares to that. I doubt we will be big enough to really be of any threat to NetJets though.

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

 

[ATRCA]

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

I prefer not to chime in on what we may or may not due because it is frakly unknowable at this point. I would point out however that XJT already does some sports charters (far basketball of all things) and has been doing this kind of work for a while now.

 

[beechcowboy]

Bottom line, old game, just a new story line.

The only thing that kept us, at XJT, immune to all these problems in our industry was the fact that we have a CPA agreement with CAL that guaranteed us a certain amount of capacity through 2007. Story over! CAn we end this thread.

 

[dojetdriver]

You beat me to it. I think Independence started with about $250 million. Of course, it was $0 at the end.

Yep, 0 at the end, but they started with a little more than that.

 

[CFIse]

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

It will not be a fractional operation. A fractional operation requires that they sell actual shares of actual aircraft to actual customers. This is VERY likely to piss off the actual owners of said aircraft - which are not ExpressJet.

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

 

[TNPILOT]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

This is simply not true.

 

[COOPERVANE]

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Please guys, just do this and your FI experience will magically improve. He is the biggest idiot I have seen on this board. Don't you wonder why superpooper is posting in this section?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

How about giving your source on that one? You wont be able to, because your ignorant of the situation and just proved it.

 

[EMBpilot]

Did any one else hear rumors about next announcement of 50 airplanes?

 

[Skyward]

You mean the one about RAH not having airplanes to fly for CAL?

 

[EMBpilot]

You mean the one about RAH not having airplanes to fly for CAL?

Not sure what you mean..
About, quote: "CAL further downsizing CoEx by 50 more airplanes". Announcement - late 06, effective - early 08.

There is a limit on withdrawing from service - not more than 25% and only once a year.

Has any one heard more on this?

 

[Skyward]

CAL can

1. terminate the entire agreement with one years notice (not likely).

or

2. withdrawal 25% with one year notice starting Dec. 2009.

 

[Master Shake]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

Thank you for a great example of someone speaking out of their ass. Please, I implore you to cite some published numbers to back up your oh-so-wise claim.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

Okay Mr. CL65 FO....tell us how in the hell you know what the lease rates are? Are you Larry's kid or something?