ExpressJet and the mystery 69 airplanes!

[ATRCA]

And that is what is going to make xjt fail

Pilot with a scab mentality working at the holy grail of scab airlines. You are in good company at CAL.

 

[ATRCA]

We will never let that happen.

We? What we new guy? You know nothing of CAL, its history and the poor showing the pilots at CAL have had virtually their entire history. You may be on the senority list but you have much to learn. I was flying that brand and attenting union meetings with scabs before you upgraded at ASA I would imagine. You will see. They have a capacity for caving and infighting that is simply without equal in our business.

 

[ERJFO]

We will never let that happen.

Just like you would "never let PBS happen"

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Maybe for an FO, but if you look at what a 10 yr CA at NetJets makes, comparing an XJ with a Falcon, that is around 167,000. No why in hell Express is going to pay us that much for us. So yes, I hate to say it, but if we start this corporate thing, NetJets will be pissed b/c we are lowering the bar. Just look at their pay scale on airlinepilotcentral.com

I agree...I would be very surprised for us to have a CA pay scale that compares to that. I doubt we will be big enough to really be of any threat to NetJets though.

 

[Fallingbrick]

I agree...I would be very surprised for us to have a CA pay scale that compares to that. I doubt we will be big enough to really be of any threat to NetJets though.

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

 

[ATRCA]

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

I prefer not to chime in on what we may or may not due because it is frakly unknowable at this point. I would point out however that XJT already does some sports charters (far basketball of all things) and has been doing this kind of work for a while now.

 

[beechcowboy]

Bottom line, old game, just a new story line.

The only thing that kept us, at XJT, immune to all these problems in our industry was the fact that we have a CPA agreement with CAL that guaranteed us a certain amount of capacity through 2007. Story over! CAn we end this thread.

 

[dojetdriver]

You beat me to it. I think Independence started with about $250 million. Of course, it was $0 at the end.

Yep, 0 at the end, but they started with a little more than that.

 

[CFIse]

There have been a lot of references to NetJets and their related pay on this thread. My impression of the web site this is going to be a carter operation, not a fractional. Are they actually planning on selling shares of aircraft to owners (like NJ, CS, Flex) or is this going to be more of a 135 business? It seems that it would be a better plan to go after sports charter and corporate shuttle customers. Oh, and I agree with the previous posts, that site needs some work.

It will not be a fractional operation. A fractional operation requires that they sell actual shares of actual aircraft to actual customers. This is VERY likely to piss off the actual owners of said aircraft - which are not ExpressJet.

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

 

[TNPILOT]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

This is simply not true.

 

[COOPERVANE]

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Please guys, just do this and your FI experience will magically improve. He is the biggest idiot I have seen on this board. Don't you wonder why superpooper is posting in this section?

 

[ratherbeflyen]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

How about giving your source on that one? You wont be able to, because your ignorant of the situation and just proved it.

 

[EMBpilot]

Did any one else hear rumors about next announcement of 50 airplanes?

 

[Skyward]

You mean the one about RAH not having airplanes to fly for CAL?

 

[EMBpilot]

You mean the one about RAH not having airplanes to fly for CAL?

Not sure what you mean..
About, quote: "CAL further downsizing CoEx by 50 more airplanes". Announcement - late 06, effective - early 08.

There is a limit on withdrawing from service - not more than 25% and only once a year.

Has any one heard more on this?

 

[Skyward]

CAL can

1. terminate the entire agreement with one years notice (not likely).

or

2. withdrawal 25% with one year notice starting Dec. 2009.

 

[Master Shake]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

Thank you for a great example of someone speaking out of their ass. Please, I implore you to cite some published numbers to back up your oh-so-wise claim.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Their problem - that people refuse to face, is that they are paying ludicrous lease rates for these planes to CAL - they could use them to ferry drugs and probably still not be able to make a profit flying the planes.

Okay Mr. CL65 FO....tell us how in the hell you know what the lease rates are? Are you Larry's kid or something?