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rajflyboy said:
This thread is important. ATC shouldn't be giving one airline an advantage over another. Period. End of story!
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They don't rajflyboy. Your perception may be that they do but the facts prove you wrong every second of the year. Period. End of story. Thanks for playing.
 
waveflyer said:
We do AM's or PM's - very rare to reverse sleep schedules. I think it keeps us safer and much more productive.
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You need some mid-trip redeyes like AA. WAY safer than keeping your circadian rhythm going.


:rolleyes:
TC
 
NEDude said:
Well I have a worse story than all of you, so there!

Flying the BE-1900 going into BGR late one night, 20 miles out approach informs us we will be following a heavy MD-11 (World Airways) that is at our 8 o'clock position and 20 miles. Yes folks, we were following the MD-11 that was BEHIND US BY 20 MILES. At 15 miles out they slowed us to 'slowest practical speed' as we were faster by 40 knots. At ten miles we were given about ten miuntes of delay vectors so the heavy could get in front of us. Then on final we were given the 'caution wake turbulence" warning. Yeah, thanks buddy, we could have been in the hotel by the time that guy landed if you had just let us go in.
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Did you have the entire flick in your B1900? Is it possible said MD-11 was in some sort of distress. Hydraulic issues or any other issues. As a controller I see this time and time again, a plane comes in with a problem and period point blank that airplane will not be going around under any circumstances. The majority of the time these little emergencies don't require crash and rescue equipment, its just basically this airplane is sick and needs to land asap so we accommodate that request and we usually don't broadcast to the world there is an issue.

Working at ORD we don't get SWA but I can assure you that controllers know their players. I know what airlines I can bang out in a tight gap and I know the ones I can't. They don't send us pizza's or any other favors. The favors they give me is having one less airplane on the airport. Some pilots will roll from the taxi way, others have to slowly and I mean slowly line up the plane, have the takeoff clnc and sit there for 30secs in position before they roll. If you are going to do that, and its fine, but if your going to do that Im going to bang out the other guys in the tight gaps and you are going to wait. Im not putting you in the air along with the go around and pass the buck to departure.
 
rajflyboy said:
Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.
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That's it. You have me convinced. From now on if I hear that someone is going to be slowed, held, or any other inconvenience from ATC I'm gonna tell my Captain to plead with the controller not to have my fellow professional aviator slowed.
I'll tell him about you. This rajflyboy who gets his panties in a bind every trip he flies because he gets slowed for SWA. Hate to see your blood pressure rise or ruin your day.
Now that you have me convinced will you please promise not to ever start such a stupid thread again? I've seen some dumb ones before, but this one is in the top 10.
 
rajflyboy said:
Sorry but they DO. I have seen it hundreds of times myself.
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We don't... I've been vectored to let others in front of me hundreds of times. I held for nearly 5 minutes in MKE the other day so a DL could get in front of me on departure.

Heck, I've gone around 5 times in the last few years because ATC thoughtfully put a Citation (once it was a Lear) in front of us (after vectoring us all over the place, wondering why we were catching up with him at our assigned speed). Every time was more than 5 miles separation at first, and I slowed to min approach as soon as I knew what we were following. If they don't get you with the 90kt approach starting 15 miles out, they get you by spending 5 minutes on the runway after landing.

If you fly these kinds of airplanes, then look in the mirror or thank your buddies because THAT'S the main reason they (usually) put WN (or pretty much any other airline) in front of you.
 
The controller just said it- and said it well-- if you want priority- tell yourself and your peers to stop flying like ******************************s.
 
IAHERJ said:
Don't think I've been passed by a 737 in the air. If they want to pass us on the ground, more power to them. I'll see them later on the airway above us doing .77 while I'm enjoying a steak at .83 and passing right below them on my way to a nice layover in a city far far away in a galaxy known as.......okay I'm losing it... I'm starting to sound like GeneralLee
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thats funny cuz I had to glance over at the name of the poster thinking it was GL, lol

Oh by the way, should I keep reading on through this thread or is Gen Lee going to ruin it all for me somewhere further down in pages 5-11?
 
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rajflyboy said:
You SWA guys crack me up.

The rest of the aviation world knows the truth on this.
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Well it took a while, but there's the capitulation at long last. In other words: "Quit trying to confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up!" :nuts:
 
This past Friday afternoon we are sitting in the hold pad for R/W 23 in BUF awaiting a flow control wheels up time from ATC. BUF ground clears SWA XXX for taxi to R/W 23 via Alpha. SWA XXX then takes it upon themselves to depart via an intersection short of the end of the runway. Incredulous voice from the tower says "well that's not the departure end of the runway but cleared for takeoff anyway." SWA XXX uses so much thrust going around this corner that we go IFR for a few seconds sitting in the hold pad as sand and dirt is kicked up in the unpaved areas of this little used taxiway. When the dust clears we see SWA heading down the runway and somewhere around 60 kts SWA XXX asks "umm confirm SWA cleared for takeoff?"
BUF tower with a sigh in their voice simply says "affirmative". The clear implication that it doesn't matter, you're SWA and you're going to do what you want anyway.

After this entertaining sequence the FO and I look at each other and agree that the cowboy mentality is alive and well at SWA.

Not flame, just a factual story of an interesting sequence of events.

Y'all be careful out there
 
denny said:
I come here and have a look about once a week and you all are busy sucking the cheese out of each other's penis.
That's really about all the value this board has is to watch you all slobber after the other dudes cheese. This place is just sick.
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I'm not entirely sure that it is "this place" that is sick .....

Get some help, or just come out of the closet :laugh:
 

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