Ever get Turned or Slowed for The "Love Machine"?

[slaquer5]

I Luv this topic. Too Bad it so long to to air out. I can cite 3 times we got slammed by ATC to help SWA out.

1) In ONT, rare east flow, was cleared for position and hold. Then out rolls SWA from the gate. They are cleared for takeoff from the intersection in front of us while we sit at the end of the runway. WTF?

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I am throwing out the BS flag. SWA gates in ONT are right by the west runway not the east. I doubt you sat on the runway while SWA taxied for 2 miles to get to the east runway.

 

[bubbers44]

SWA probably has a good repore with ATC because they fly enough legs a day to know what ATC needs and makes tight approaches work. Sometimes the legacy airlines don't cooperate quite as well. SWA came to watch our west coast operation and we sometimes got special handling because ATC knew we would do what was required to make things work.

 

[get2flyin]

Southwest has pissed a couple of controllers off and paid the price for it. Last year a Southwest flight was taxiing toward the gate in Orange County when I called for a push and was cleared to do so. The ground controller then told the Southwest flight they would have to wait until we were clear to get to the gate. Hearing the exchange and realizing we would be pushing back directly behind their gate and blocking them, I offered the controller the hold our position until they parked. He told me that was not necessary and to "start the push back now"...and we blocked the Southwest that was about 3 gates away from their parking spot.

Also, one of my friends heard them pushing back and blocking the taxiway after they had been told to hold position at the gate in an attempted to beat the pack out from the morning curfew. When the ground controller realized it, he told them they hadn't been cleared and asked what they were doing. The SW crew laughed into the radio and said there had been a misunderstanding with the ground crew. The ground controller told them to pull back forward into the gate. SW said they had already disconnected. Ground said he could still see the tug in front of the plane and to have the groundcrew reconnect and pull them forward as they wouldn't be cleared to taxi until all of the other traffic had taxied out.

I would love to have seen the expressions on the flight crew. Usually when they pull that crap, they get away with it.

 

[Whataburger]

Southwest has pissed a couple of controllers off and paid the price for it. Last year a Southwest flight was taxiing toward the gate in Orange County when I called for a push and was cleared to do so. The ground controller then told the Southwest flight they would have to wait until we were clear to get to the gate. Hearing the exchange and realizing we would be pushing back directly behind their gate and blocking them, I offered the controller the hold our position until they parked. He told me that was not necessary and to "start the push back now"...and we blocked the Southwest that was about 3 gates away from their parking spot.

Also, one of my friends heard them pushing back and blocking the taxiway after they had been told to hold position at the gate in an attempted to beat the pack out from the morning curfew. When the ground controller realized it, he told them they hadn't been cleared and asked what they were doing. The SW crew laughed into the radio and said there had been a misunderstanding with the ground crew. The ground controller told them to pull back forward into the gate. SW said they had already disconnected. Ground said he could still see the tug in front of the plane and to have the groundcrew reconnect and pull them forward as they wouldn't be cleared to taxi until all of the other traffic had taxied out.

I would love to have seen the expressions on the flight crew. Usually when they pull that crap, they get away with it.

Man, that's so crazy!!

 

[get2flyin]

Man, that's so crazy!!

Again..this isn't a knock on Southwest. Pushing when your told not to is BS but I've seen other airlines do it. The bottom line is, every controller knows SW is always wanting to go fast. With other airlines it's a crapshoot. I was flying with a Captain who got cleared for the visual with speed at his discretion on a 20 mile straight-in and the D-bag immediately slowed to approach speed. He wanted me to tell the controllers he couldn't speed up because he was already configured and there were about 5 aircraft behind us (at least one of which was our company) doing MONSTER S-turns. 9 out of 10 guys would have hauled ass to the marker but this guy was just a jerk. I bet that controller NEVER offered our company a visual with speed at our discretion again. I get pissed when we get screwed so they can fit a couple of SW's in, but I understand why.

 

[rajflyboy]

SWA probably has a good repore with ATC because they fly enough legs a day to know what ATC needs and makes tight approaches work. Sometimes the legacy airlines don't cooperate quite as well. SWA came to watch our west coast operation and we sometimes got special handling because ATC knew we would do what was required to make things work.

No No No No No No No No No No No No No

SWA gets the "Special Treatment" because they meet with the controllers and bring them Donuts and Whiskey!

HE HE HE

 

[nerjdriver]

More often on final I get slowed to 180 for an RJ to get in front...then 170, then 160, then S turns because they can't fly as fast on final as a Dash 8.

But then again that's probably because we have some pilots who refuse to fly fast to help ATC.

RJ cant fly as fast as a Dash 8 on final?

Retard.

 

[BoilerUP]

RJ cant fly as fast as a Dash 8 on final?

No, an RJ cannot fly as fast as a Dash 8 can on final...or any turboprop for that matter.

You can easily run a t-prop at 180-200kts to a 2 mile final and still cross the threshold at Vref, thanks to those two massive speedbrakes known as props. Push them up and you can feel the plane decelerate.

I don't know any swept-wing jet that can keep that speed to that close in, including any RJ.

 

[ableone]

I am throwing out the BS flag. SWA gates in ONT are right by the west runway not the east. I doubt you sat on the runway while SWA taxied for 2 miles to get to the east runway.

The east and the west runway?

ONT 26L&R? Which one of these is the west runway?

Who are you really?

The WN gates are on the East end of the North runway. The only thing that they are west of is the freeway.

B.S. Flag returned to sender.

 

[slaquer5]

The east and the west runway?

ONT 26L&R? Which one of these is the west runway?

Who are you really?

The WN gates are on the East end of the North runway. The only thing that they are west of is the freeway.

B.S. Flag returned to sender.

What are you talking about? SWA gates are by the 26 runways. SO fast get out for RW 26. Your buddy said the rare East RW 8 departure. Please read before for open your trap.

I am thinking your are not very able ableone