End is near.... Gojet gets 1st CRJ.

[ren]

I personally like "GoToHell Jets" myself. After all, it is a Hul@$ owned and operated carrier.

 

[propjockey]

Yes. lots of people have asked, and we've never heard a response. Why is "that word" automatically censored? 'F'-bombs and other profanity I can understand, but why in the world is the G-word taboo on this forum?

 

[210FR8DOG]

It's freaking hilarious you can say blowjets, blowmejets, gayjets, nojets, gotohelljets, etc. but not *************************s.

 

[Catbert]

Bump.

What is with the auto-censoring of the G word?

 

[spiffomatic]

that airline is a four letter word and should be censored.

 

[Catbert]

that airline is a four letter word and should be censored.

No argument there. Just wondering if anyone knows the official word on the *******'s?

 

[Lear70]

The management of the board was dumb enough to believe they could avoid the flame wars we're seeing with any use of the name G0Jets so they tried to make it a topic that would be difficult to discuss by censoring the name of the airline (and also to try to avoid any legal repercussions if distribution of the pseudo-scab list becomes an issue).

It was a really stupid decision, one that obviously hasn't been rescinded yet as the word is still censored and, quite frankly, pilots will do whatever the hell it is they want to do anyway. clear and a million dot com proved that.

G0Jet pilots are an insult to pilots everywhere who have EVER walked the line in support of their ethics and beliefs regarding their profession. I am embarrassed to say that I know two pilots at G0Jets, one who worked for Pinnacle and was fired and one who worked for TWA and was at the bottom of the list and both guys were disenchanted by how little ALPA was able to help them in the end.

BOTH circumstances are still forgivable... IF they quit and ask forgiveness. I don't blame people who went there not knowing whose cake they were taking a crap in, but now that they know, they have a responsibility to other pilots AND their own honor to respectfully resign and seek employment elsewhere.

Sad... very sad.

 

[L.Skywalker]

I can hardly blame them - if ALPA screwed them, why continue with ALPA?

 

[ultrarunner]

G0Jets..too funny. Just another alter-ego airline, and the moderators want to get all high and mighty?

They must be hanging out with Pat Roberston.

G0Jet pilots will get there's.

 

[Lear70]

I can hardly blame them - if ALPA screwed them, why continue with ALPA?

Well, that's just the point. ALPA did NOT screw them.

In the case of the termination from PCL, he screwed himself calling in sick then using his pass privileges to travel somewhere. He MIGHT get his job back in grievance, probably won't because of the way he did it. Nice guy, stupid move, and I USED to feel bad for him and was trying to help as much as I could but now I'm pretty irritated at him for going to G0Jets and won't help him anymore.

The TWA guys FEEL they got screwed by ALPA, but how was ALPA supposed to protect the TWA guys when they were being PURCHASED by a non-ALPA pilot group? Not a merger, but a PURCHASE!

I feel a LOT of things are wrong with ALPA, but to blame them for these things is NOT a fair place to lay blame.

 

[AviatorTx]

I feel a LOT of things are wrong with ALPA, but to blame them for these things is NOT a fair place to lay blame.

EXACTY.

Regardless, this is not solely an ALPA issue. This G0-Jet BS is bringing down the entire industry. It is hurting the Teamster pilots as well as the non union pilots by further dragging down wages. Everyone is going to feel the pain from this if it is allowed to continue.

Mark my words. IT IS A MATTER OF TIME before the same thing happens to a Teamster carrier, or a non-union carrier. Since they are not ALPA, does this make it OK?

 

[blzr]

Has anyone thought about bringing up to TSA management that Piedmont won their case against Airways for starting an Alter Ego carrier, Potomac Airlines. I just haven't heard anything brought up about it from any Chit-aqua guys.

 

[TWA Dude]

The TWA guys FEEL they got screwed by ALPA, but how was ALPA supposed to protect the TWA guys when they were being PURCHASED by a non-ALPA pilot group?

They were at least expected to try to protect us. Instead they just threw up their hands and said "I know you guys have been with us since the beginning (Councils 2, 3, and 4) but so long now". Worse yet, our lawsuit contends that ALPA continued actively trying to get the APA to rejoin during the integration. From a business point of view it makes perfect sense: why care about 2300 lame-duck pilots when you can appease 10,000 potential new high-paid members? (This was pre-9/11.) You ask how ALPA was supposed to protect us? How about a major PR effort to start. You know, a mailer saying to support your brethren being taken advantage of by another union, lobbying lawmakers, newspaper ads. Those actions may only have been symbolic but at least they'd have shown some solidarity. But no, there was nary a whimper out of DW. Shameful!

 

[Lear70]

From what I recall (and I was paying attention because I was in the TWA pool), it wasn't ALPA that had the problem, it was the APA.

ALPA basically begged the APA to integrate you guys in a fair way (Date Of Hire) and APA said, "No, thanks, we're buying them and we'll integrate them however we d*mn well please."

ALPA was stuck in a very nasty corner: they wanted the APA to switch to ALPA so they weren't about to alienate them through any negative P.R. campaign such as what you're talking about, WHEN IT WASN'T GOING TO DO ANY GOOD!!!

I'll say that again, the APA was not about to agree to ANY kind of seniority integration other than what they had proposed. So what good would it have done ALPA to spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on a campaign that's only END GOAL was to piss off thousands of AA pilots?

Other than satisfy your symbolic peace of mind and heart.

I feel for you, I really, really do, especially since, IF I had already been on property and DOH was enforced, I might be at AA (or furloughed with recall rights), but I can't fault ALPA for a sound business decision in a lose-lose scenario.

ALPA has definitely screwed up on Scope issues however AT EVERY CARRIER they represent and now they're paying for it, big time. It'll be interesting to see if Woerth can dig himself out of this hole he's created.

 

[fuelflow]

ALPA must be giving you some very tasty Kool-Aid. You can't blame the APA as they were just representing their pilots as expected. Much more information has been coming to light recently, and ALPA (especially with lawsuits currently underway) will eventually be held responsible for what happened. Well, hopefully anyway.