End is near.... Gojet gets 1st CRJ.

[TrailerTrash]

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To my understanding, they have. Not ALL of their aircraft, but their startup aircraft were pulled from service and transferred from what I've been told.

BS Artist? One could say that about you except that I believe you're more subtle.

You remind me of a movie called The Devil's Advocate: "This is HARDLY evil, is it? It's just such a little thing, to let one company come in and undermine another." Then it's another thing, then another, then another, until you're ready to fly Northwest mainline's 747's for $100 an hour.

Once you start down that path, how do you mark the "limit"? How do you know where to draw the line?

Your perspective MAY be different than mine, but to ASSert that your perspective is the "PROPER" perspective is egotistical at best, self-delusional at worst, especially given that the only people that seem to agree with you (for the most part) are the G0Jet pilots and management.

When you're in the minority on a belief on an issue, to assert that it's "proper" is a joke. But I shouldn't be surprised, you've taken the low road on just about every issue we've debated (this is the 3rd, you do realize).

Ditto

 

[h25b]

To my understanding, they have. Not ALL of their aircraft, but their startup aircraft were pulled from service and transferred from what I've been told.

BS Artist? One could say that about you except that I believe you're more subtle.

O.K. Here we go... A bit less "subtle."

Your understanding is absolutely FALSE. NO CRJ-700 was EVER operated by TSA and then pulled from them to go over to GJ's. That's the problem I'm habving with you. At least in this case you don't know WTF you're talking about. Hence, NO aircraft were "taken" from them... PERIOD...

 

[Smarta$$]

O.K. Here we go... A bit less "subtle."

Your understanding is absolutely FALSE. NO CRJ-700 was EVER operated by TSA and then pulled from them to go over to GJ's. That's the problem I'm habving with you. At least in this case you don't know WTF you're talking about. Hence, NO aircraft were "taken" from them... PERIOD...

Lear70, Your waisting your breath! h25b is a GAYJET pilot and will never agree with you because he is trying to convince people that he is not doing anything wrong.

h25bhomo, Just because it is a different fleet type does not mean that the growth aircraft didnt belong to TSA. You know very well that TSAH could and should have had one pilot list for both certificates like Republic.

Stop trying to convince people that your not in the wrong.

 

[h25b]

h25bhomo, Just because it is a different fleet type does not mean that the growth aircraft didnt belong to TSA. You know very well that TSAH could and should have had one pilot list for both certificates like Republic.

Stop trying to convince people that your not in the wrong.

It ain't yours until it's in your CBA. Period. Otherwise it's, "Coulda, shoulda, woulda ... "

More lamea$$ insults from the smarta$$ .... Beautiful...

 

[Smarta$$]

It ain't yours until it's in your CBA. Period. Otherwise it's, "Coulda, shoulda, woulda ... "

More lamea$$ insults from the smarta$$ .... Beautiful...

What a great arguement. Genius.

Coulda, shouda, woulda... my dad can beat up your dad... what ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you...

Your coulda, shouda, woulda, is pretty lame coming from a guy or girl that just said the other day that you were trying to improve OUR proffesion. Its pretty hard to say that you are trying to improve our proffesion and support Gayjets with a woulda, coulda arguement at the same time.

 

[PCL_128]

It ain't yours until it's in your CBA. Period. Otherwise it's, "Coulda, shoulda, woulda ... "

It is in their contract:

Section 1.C.1.2: The Company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the Agreement.

 

[AviatorTx]

NO CRJ-700 was EVER operated by TSA and then pulled from them to go over to GJ's. That's the problem I'm habving with you. At least in this case you don't know WTF you're talking about. Hence, NO aircraft were "taken" from them... PERIOD...

Simple semantics. They were still DIVERTED from TSA.

You are the Freedom Air of 2006. Perhaps your name is on the updated list that I just printed out last night. If not, it will just be a matter of time before it is. Every dog has their day...

 

[h25b]

It is in their contract:

Section 1.C.1.2: The Company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the Agreement.

I see... The problem is that the NMB didn't see it that way. I'm sorry. "The Company" as referred to in the CBA is TSA. TSA didn't create or acquire anything. TSA Holdings did. I don't agree with it, it IS symantics, but you DO have to live with it.

It's just getting old.

 

[PCL_128]

I see... The problem is that the NMB didn't see it that way. I'm sorry. "The Company" as referred to in the CBA is TSA. TSA didn't create or acquire anything. TSA Holdings did. I don't agree with it, it IS symantics, but you DO have to live with it.

It's just getting old.

I really don't care what the NMB thinks. The NMB can't force me to respect these scumbags or to give them a free ride home. They get no professional courtesy whatsoever.

h25b, we are pilots, not lawyers. Think like a pilot for once, and stop trying to defend management and their scumbag lawyers and pilots that are trying to circumvent the clear meaning of the original agreement. There can be no doubt that this is a clear violation of the original intent of the CBA. Management has found a court that is willing to screw labor (not exactly a rarity nowdays), and they have used it to create a loophole. That doesn't make HoJets right, and it doesn't make their pilots honorable people.

 

[h25b]

I really don't care what the NMB thinks. The NMB can't force me to respect these scumbags or to give them a free ride home. They get no professional courtesy whatsoever.

h25b, we are pilots, not lawyers. Think like a pilot for once, and stop trying to defend management and their scumbag lawyers and pilots that are trying to circumvent the clear meaning of the original agreement. There can be no doubt that this is a clear violation of the original intent of the CBA. Management has found a court that is willing to screw labor (not exactly a rarity nowdays), and they have used it to create a loophole. That doesn't make HoJets right, and it doesn't make their pilots honorable people.

I have found that thinking like a lawyer keeps you from getting disappointed. Life, for the most part, doesn't revolve around what's right or wrong. In this case it is what is legal. You may not care what the NMB rules, but you do have to live with it. Sitting around waving scablists just accomplishes nothing. The only thing that could possibly happen to clean this whole mess up is for TSA ALPA to somehow broker an integration deal. This would be a real longshot.

 

[f/o(forever)]

h25b,

If you are so proud of your ethics and morals about hojet, why do you guys and gals all hide your ID's? .... Wear them with pride!? Why do you all hide in ord and iad???... afraid?? of what? STOP BEING SPINELESS AND SHOW YOURSELF!! That is if you feel you are so right and not hurting the industry! Your actions speak louder then words, so please shut your pie hole since no one is listening!!! Oh and by the way hulas money made from my efforts are paying for your airplane and all the support it needs, and if you think you can argue that then feel free! TSA doesn't want your new jet for the joke of a pay scale you work for, SO I SAY KEEP IT!! You made your bed now you can sleep in it.

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I said it before your turn is coming tool

 

[h25b]

h25b,

If you are so proud of your ethics and morals about hojet, why do you guys and gals all hide your ID's? .... Wear them with pride!? Why do you all hide in ord and iad???... afraid?? of what? STOP BEING SPINELESS AND SHOW YOURSELF!! That is if you feel you are so right and not hurting the industry! Your actions speak louder then words, so please shut your pie hole since no one is listening!!! Oh and by the way hulas money made from my efforts are paying for your airplane and all the support it needs, and if you think you can argue that then feel free! TSA doesn't want your new jet for the joke of a pay scale you work for, SO I SAY KEEP IT!! You made your bed now you can sleep in it.

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I said it before your turn is coming tool

Listen, numb nuts.... I DON'T WORK THERE. And I'd be happy to prove it if you'd like.

 

[AviatorTx]

I see... The problem is that the NMB didn't see it that way. I'm sorry. "The Company" as referred to in the CBA is TSA. TSA didn't create or acquire anything. TSA Holdings did.

Well, I was disappointed by the NMB's decision, but given their labor busting stance, I am not surprised. Just as it was obvious that they would never release us for self help during our last contract cycle.

I don't agree with it, it IS symantics, but you DO have to live with it.

I argue that it is YOU that is going to have to live with it. You have made a choice that if I and many others in ALPA have our way, will haunt you for the rest of your professional aviation career. You knew what you were doing when you took the job, as you do now by trying to defend your near scabbing with your feeble arguments.

It's just getting old.

You ain't seen nuttin yet. Ten years from now if you are still in the airline industry, you will really think this as WE WILL NEVER FORGET.

Edited to add: All this of course only if you actually work for G0-Jet, or scabbed. I add this disclaimer since you claim that you don't work there.

If you don't work there, then what kind of company do you work for? I am simply asking to try to see where it is that you are coming from.

 

[f/o(forever)]

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[f/o(forever)]

Listen, numb nuts.... I DON'T WORK THERE. And I'd be happy to prove it if you'd like.

Then it must be your husband!