DW is mad at Jetblue

[AA717driver]

None of us operate in a vaccum. This WILL ripple down through the industry.

Just as you can thank TWA/AA for the widespread use of 1113, this "exemption" WILL become the rule "because we have to compete".

Just as the 190 rates will be the standard for the other majors flying them, so will the WCT.TC

 

[9DRIVER]

8 hour rule

Not arguing that the industry needs some changes, but I don't believe that changes in the flight duty time limits will make the industry anymore competitive. When you make changes on the cost side of the equation that can be imitatted by all the other airlines to one extent or another then there is no true savings. You may however reduce the safety of your operation. ie: Depart out of New york with a red eye on the return. Don't think the passengers would like to here of an operation that is based more on cost than safety. I'm not saying it can't be done, physically, but its definitely going to reduce the safety of the operation at the expense of Corporate cost savings. Who wins....?

What's wrong with doing something "new". This industry needs to change. The old way of doing business isn't working. I take it you are United. It probably wouldn't hurt United to adapt.

 

[Spooky 1]

HNL turns

Keep playing that limbo song......as the bar goes lower....and lower.....and lower...and lower....

Just a guess but with the Duke in your profile I guess that you might be a HAL guy? If so, are you flying HNL mainland turns over there and if not, is it specifically prohibited in your contract? And, if you are doing them, are they going senior or junior?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

This was probably the most senior trip in the LAX DC8 bid pack. You had to work 7 days a month.

Yeah, but they weren't flying 90 hours/month, now were they?

 

[InclusiveScope]

Only a fool could not see that this opens the door for additional change. Congratulations.

If you can't see that "additional change" is necessary, then you my friend are the fool. You are one of those "status quo" folks who thinks the past way of doing things is the best way. Some of us prefer to think outside the box. You definately have potential up in Herndon.....

 

[InclusiveScope]

What research needs to be done? NASA, the NTSB, and DOT, all have tons of data to show rest problems. That's why other industries have had to reform, the airlines are the only hold outs. Why this is, I have no idea.

This has nothing to do with rest rules or increasing duty time. It is about increasing productivity while your at work. It is about actually getting your rest period back at your home time zone. If you read it, it actually makes sense. I guess that's why ALPA opposes it.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

If you can't see that "additional change" is necessary, then you my friend are the fool. You are one of those "status quo" folks who thinks the past way of doing things is the best way. Some of us prefer to think outside the box. You definately have potential up in Herndon.....

While additional changes with regards to how ALPA acts are necessary, allowing changes to flight times will pave the way for rest time changes, duty time changes, etc. As I said, only a fool could not see that--fool.

 

[8vATE]

INFO ALERT! and the ones that fall out during irop/sick calls will go very junior - all the way to the reserve who's trying to make a two leg commute to Kennedy work with 12 days off.

It has already been said the exemption would not be used during an IROP...


Man..
this haves/haves not thing is really new to you?

we had haves/haves nots at USAirways, DHL, Allegheny..
etc... etc... etc...

You make it sound like you really didn't understand the system when you got hired..

whose fault is that?

 

[Realistic]

It has NOT been established that reserves will not be required to operate a turn!!!
And how about this? What happens to West Coast quality of life when turns get built for East Coast Departures?
As we heard in a recent pilot meeting - "our other option is to bring you all back to JFK." Besides being a fantastic bluff - it's really not dripping with values is it?
Yes - I know full well about Haves and Have Nots and in all cases this was remedied, and not by someone sitting on their ass waiting to get a fair shake from the insiders.
True representation instead of the so-called committee we have now is the way to a system that gives a voice to the have nots.
No - I didn't understand our little system when I was hired. I had to experience the bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** first hand - and now - it's time for a change. It will take some time, but have nots will get an equal voice.

 

[wndshr]

Does anyone else thing that Realistic may not even work at Jetblue and is a professional Turd Dropper?? it is pretty easy to pretend you work for jetblue with all the info floating out there??

 

[Dizel8]

Somehow I doubt that assertation!

 

[AA717driver]

Does anyone else thing that Realistic may not even work at Jetblue and is a professional Turd Dropper?? it is pretty easy to pretend you work for jetblue with all the info floating out there??

You mean NOBODY working at JB is critical of some aspects of the system? That's a little naive, I think.TC

 

[colorado418]

Not sure if it is true. Please let me know if it is.

Can an Aloha crew of 2 pilots take off from OAK and round trip Hawaii and back? Someone told me that is legal. International type rules.

More or less stressful (if true) than a trip from JFK-OAK-JFK....

just a thought....

 

[FoxHunter]

Yeah, but they weren't flying 90 hours/month, now were they?

No, they were flying 80 hours a month.

 

[seefive]

My predictions.

1. Rule won't change
2. JB will have a union in the near future(5 years)



dlredline..........when did you graduate from Texas?