DW is mad at Jetblue

[InclusiveScope]

What research needs to be done? NASA, the NTSB, and DOT, all have tons of data to show rest problems. That's why other industries have had to reform, the airlines are the only hold outs. Why this is, I have no idea.

This has nothing to do with rest rules or increasing duty time. It is about increasing productivity while your at work. It is about actually getting your rest period back at your home time zone. If you read it, it actually makes sense. I guess that's why ALPA opposes it.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

If you can't see that "additional change" is necessary, then you my friend are the fool. You are one of those "status quo" folks who thinks the past way of doing things is the best way. Some of us prefer to think outside the box. You definately have potential up in Herndon.....

While additional changes with regards to how ALPA acts are necessary, allowing changes to flight times will pave the way for rest time changes, duty time changes, etc. As I said, only a fool could not see that--fool.

 

[8vATE]

INFO ALERT! and the ones that fall out during irop/sick calls will go very junior - all the way to the reserve who's trying to make a two leg commute to Kennedy work with 12 days off.

It has already been said the exemption would not be used during an IROP...


Man..
this haves/haves not thing is really new to you?

we had haves/haves nots at USAirways, DHL, Allegheny..
etc... etc... etc...

You make it sound like you really didn't understand the system when you got hired..

whose fault is that?

 

[Realistic]

It has NOT been established that reserves will not be required to operate a turn!!!
And how about this? What happens to West Coast quality of life when turns get built for East Coast Departures?
As we heard in a recent pilot meeting - "our other option is to bring you all back to JFK." Besides being a fantastic bluff - it's really not dripping with values is it?
Yes - I know full well about Haves and Have Nots and in all cases this was remedied, and not by someone sitting on their ass waiting to get a fair shake from the insiders.
True representation instead of the so-called committee we have now is the way to a system that gives a voice to the have nots.
No - I didn't understand our little system when I was hired. I had to experience the bull**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** first hand - and now - it's time for a change. It will take some time, but have nots will get an equal voice.

 

[wndshr]

Does anyone else thing that Realistic may not even work at Jetblue and is a professional Turd Dropper?? it is pretty easy to pretend you work for jetblue with all the info floating out there??

 

[Dizel8]

Somehow I doubt that assertation!

 

[AA717driver]

Does anyone else thing that Realistic may not even work at Jetblue and is a professional Turd Dropper?? it is pretty easy to pretend you work for jetblue with all the info floating out there??

You mean NOBODY working at JB is critical of some aspects of the system? That's a little naive, I think.TC

 

[colorado418]

Not sure if it is true. Please let me know if it is.

Can an Aloha crew of 2 pilots take off from OAK and round trip Hawaii and back? Someone told me that is legal. International type rules.

More or less stressful (if true) than a trip from JFK-OAK-JFK....

just a thought....

 

[FoxHunter]

Yeah, but they weren't flying 90 hours/month, now were they?

No, they were flying 80 hours a month.

 

[seefive]

My predictions.

1. Rule won't change
2. JB will have a union in the near future(5 years)



dlredline..........when did you graduate from Texas?

 

[wndshr]

You mean NOBODY working at JB is critical of some aspects of the system? That's a little naive, I think.TC

some aspects...sure...but most aspects....hmmm

when you get hired there is a lot of koolaid, but common sense must prevail after the first week of training!

bottom line: you should know what you are getting into BEFORE quitting your old job....right?

 

[8vATE]

Realistic??


TRUE representation?
do we do that by seat, seniority, domicile, commuter status, expectations, hair length, whether or not you got your head shaved with a goatee...



Oh...
I get it..

You want to be paid more for flying less..

Dream on dude.

The changes you are ranting about will never happen unless
we go to a flat rate for everyone and seniority is thrown out the window..

Why don't you go apply to MESA or a Legacy..?

 

[active_herk]

I've got something for the JetBlue commuters to think about. Since the FARs require a minimum of double the rest for the hours blocked in a duty period - with a minimum of 16 hours - it would appear to me that if this exemption went through, it would make it almost impossible to fly multiple days in a row. (Unless of course JetBlue is trying to get an exemption to this rule as well). Also, if you did fly multiple days in a row, you would have to fly the all day pairing on day one and then a night time pairing on day 2 (which would mess up the circadian rhythm, which would make you less safe). So in this instance, the commuters, while they may be working less days per month, would actually be gone the same if not more days per month, due to the fact that they would have to take a day off between trips.

 

[Dizel8]

"Since the FARs require a minimum of double the rest for the hours blocked in a duty period."

121.471: Domestic limitations.
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=a509372ccbba19d0b5afaf672b335ee0&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.4.19.17.11.2&idno=14

 

[General Lee]

Let's just continue to change all of the rules because we are now under "new competitive rules" and that is just the way it is. It is a new day I guess. The next thing you know, in addition to flying the plane, pilots will clean toilets..... How about just having one or two employees on each plane? That would save a lot of money for each airline, and those management bonus checks would be huge!



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

"and those management bonus checks would be huge!"

You forgot: The stocktraders would be happy

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I just read your CP's Blue Kool-Aid propaganda letter to you disguising this exemption rule as some sort of contra-circadium quality-of-life golden egg.

You are fools to buy this garbage.

 

[Dizel8]

If jetblue had proposed changing the FAR max duty to 12, I am sure DW would condemn us as well.

I will remain passionately neutral!

 

[njcapt]

Not sure if it is true. Please let me know if it is.

Can an Aloha crew of 2 pilots take off from OAK and round trip Hawaii and back? Someone told me that is legal. International type rules.

More or less stressful (if true) than a trip from JFK-OAK-JFK....

just a thought....

Nope. International rules apply, gotta have an IO over 8 hours flight time. ATA does turns out of LAX, SFO, PHX, and SEA to Hawaii, and all of those flights have a third pilot.

Hey, Denver. Long time. Johan ALG 92-98. Sorry if I have it wrong.

 

[General Lee]

Let me get this right....Jetblue management wants some sort of 3rd pilot robot named "R2sleep2" to monitor the two JB pilots on their turns to LGB and wake them up near Jamestown on the Lendy Arrival on the return leg? Is that true? Maybe it can also continually say "Nice landing Captain.......Your FO is a douche.....Nice landing Captain.....give me more blue oil for my tummy......Nice landing Captain......"



Bye Bye--General Lee