DW is mad at Jetblue

[Dizel8]

But, and not talking about the raising of 8 hr limit, why do we, if fattigue is the issue, as I agree on that, still have the 16 hr duty time. We should work on getting that lowered, but see no progress on that front!

As we all know, some real bad pairing can be built with the current rules, so what are we going to do about it?

From a fattigue stand point, I think the day transcon would actually be better than 7 legs, 8 of hrs flying and 16 hours of duty. That does not mean I endorse, the sought after change, merely an observation.

If a change were made, that put a limit of number of landing a day, ie each landing reduces max duty by x amount, that would probably fall on deaf ears and would be fought, by the very same people who says it is fattiguing, since it would reduce productivity.

Further, it is to be noted, that strangely enough, the FAA has different rules between DOM, INT'L, Scheduled, supplemental etc., however, the body does not know the difference. In addition, current rules make no distinction between day and night flying, yet we all know, that night flying takes a big toll.

Maybe it is time, that the Feds take a good look at what NASA and the NTSB have been telling them for years and years.

 

[Dizel8]

G4G5, all excellent points, so why do we allow 16 hr duty days, even on the backside of the clock, why do we allow the RJ boys to do 7-9 landings a day in very congested airspace, yes, it is status quo, but is it safe?

 

[DaveGriffin]

P-3 is not Cool

I just read your CP's Blue Kool-Aid propaganda letter to you disguising this exemption rule as some sort of contra-circadium quality-of-life golden egg.

You are fools to buy this garbage.

Disregard all of the above......I am a P-3 Weenie!!*

*USN P-3 pilots are essentially undifferentiated from USAF pilots. They can't land on a boat. And they like it. That's not cool.

 

[G4G5]

Dizel8

so why do we allow 16 hr duty days, even on the backside of the clock,

I have not done a 16 hour duty day with just 2 pilots in a long time. Nor should the mgt at B6 force any of their pilots to do it. If B6 wants west coast turns do like every other major and what NASA reccomends. Add a a relief pilot.

why do we allow the RJ boys to do 7-9 landings a day in very congested airspace

This has been part of the status quo for so long, typically all 8 legs are not to high density airports. Most are from a hub to a lower volume less dense airport. Equating to half of the landings at lower work load airports. If an RJ crew is doing 8 legs a day their is no way that they will be departing from a hub airport at peak work load for 12 hours straight. Maybe 1/2 the time is peak.

I agree it's not the smartest but the RJ guys are not going to the FAA or their mgt asking to increase it to 10-12 landings per day.

 

[fulcrum]

This is nuts , hopefully all the spineless pilots at Jetblue will probably stand up to this insanity , they have no union to represent them. if the FAA allows this to go on where is it going to stop ?
Can you imagine the work rules if ALPA and the unions did not exist.
Fulcrum

 

[fulcrum]

Jet blue management will probably offer lots of Over time or extra pay to entice the "poor" pilots to bite and agree to fly in workconditions that are worse than truck drivers
Fulcrum

 

[SUNDOWN]

This is nuts , hopefully all the spineless pilots at Jetblue will probably stand up to this insanity , they have no union to represent them. if the FAA allows this to go on where is it going to stop ?

Can you imagine the work rules if ALPA and the unions did not exist.
Fulcrum

We better listen to this guy. He might come and get us in his Fulcrum...... Dude, did you write that on the side of the 172 you fly.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

As we all know, some real bad pairing can be built with the current rules, so what are we going to do about it?

Uhh.....extend the rule to include more than 8 hours in that day and it will improve??? Ya think the bad pairings that can be built will increase or decrease?

 

[B6Guy]

Foaming at the mouth

Lets see: DC-7 or A320, 8 hours is 8 hours.
Give me a break!!


All this angst about arriving at JFK during the 'evening rush' or 'bad weather' And arrival into JFK is the same in bad weather [actually easier!] as in VFR.

The Bus autolands, so if it is crap WX let it land. Are you too tired to hang onto the tiller and taxi to the gate??

And all the angst about a tough duty day, how tough is JFK-ROC-JFK-FLL-JFK for 7:50 ?? This is easy?? with maybe three different cabin crews to be briefed? Throw in ten wheel chairs in and out of FLL and try to stay on schedule. THis is easy??

Or have a 0600 show, 0700 go and return at 1930. Brief once, only one turn, load the box once or twice, piece of cake.

And instead of 7:50, credit would be 11:50.

Get to the 'pad at 2030, asleep by 2130, up at 0500, back at it again.

Sounds like heaven to me. My bank account is salivating.

Everyone is foaming at the mouth over this, read the proposal. Lets see what happens.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

I have done a legal 11 leg/8 hour flight/ 12 hour duty day. Two legs/10 hours flight/12 hour duty sounds a lot easier.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Since they wish to change the rules, allow cameras in the cockpit of each JB aircraft. 11:30 for a LAX turn and lets see how many pilots make it without having their forehead smack the tray in front of them. Should be great for America's Funniest Home Videos as well as for future bookings on JB.

 

[General Lee]

Since they wish to change the rules, allow cameras in the cockpit of each JB aircraft. 11:30 for a LAX turn and lets see how many pilots make it without having their forehead smack the tray in front of them. Should be great for America's Funniest Home Videos as well as for future bookings on JB.

LGB, not LAX! They are special. That would be funny---if they want the new hour rule, let there be cameras in their cockpits.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

Add Fedex to the list that is upset:

The following message and attachments were sent out yesterday to the
members of ALPA's Board of Directors. As you can read from Captain
Woerth's message and the attached files, JetBlue Airways is preparing
to seek an exception from the 8-Hour Flight and Duty Time Regulation. I
encourage you to read the information here and if you know any JetBlue
pilots personally or come in contact with any during your travels, talk
with them about the potential ramifications if such an exception were
granted.

Captain David Webb
FDX MEC Chairman

 

[IB6 UB9]

LGB, not LAX! They are special. That would be funny---if they want the new hour rule, let there be cameras in their cockpits.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

It You are so easy to read. GL, you remind me of taint. Do you know what taint is? Taint is that little piece of skin down there. It is between the man's hanging boys and the brown rasberry where a man expels his waste. If you work really hard, you can wash that area clean, but it returns to a yellow distasteful color after a few uses. Just like you. You are "friendly" (washed clean) every once in a while to someone who agrees with you but you soon return to your ugly yellow cowardly color when you find someones thread to ride on. Then you spew your industry dribble, your Delta biased bile for a good 10 to 12 threads, until you need some comfort. Hence the yellow color seen in most threads. Soon after, you can be found latching on to numerous poster's comments for a little much needed moral support, and "running with the devil" for a while. Shame on you General Lee, for becoming TAINT. For being so yellow, cowardly, a tomcat belly-slinking around. I hope someone is able to "wipe you clean" someday.

 

[flyingitalian]

Taint is that little piece of skin down there. It is between the man's hanging boys and the brown rasberry where a man expels his waste. QUOTE]

Are your female? I was laughing because as a male I believe taint is actually that little piece of skin taint pu$$y and taint a$$ but in the middle. Didn't know girls used the same term.