Don't hold your breath for a pilot shortage

[Fubijaakr]

Sorry- it's already here. Have you seen Virgin America Rates? Fo's top out at less than 90!

True dat.

 

[Flyer1015]

Sorry- it's already here. Have you seen Virgin America Rates? Fo's top out at less than 90!

Though to be fair, no one is at that scale. You'd be a captain at VA making a lot more than 90 at the highest top scale, unlike the legacies.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Yeah...$120. Which, today, is less than a QX CA makes flying a Q400.

 

[Max Q]

relief tube: If that becomes the norm (and it isn't), people will stop lining up for the job.

 

[NEDude]

Yeah...$120. Which, today, is less than a QX CA makes flying a Q400.

No five year pilot at QX making close to $120.

Any pilot making close to $120/hr has been there well over 15 years.

That 15+yr pilot who chooses to leave QX for a legacy carrier may not see $120 for another 15-20 years - even longer if ALPA keeps giving up scope and allowing the outsourcing of more jobs to the regionals.

If QX ever goes belly up, like ATA, Aloha, Midwest, etc. they will be lucky to get a job paying $20/hr.

Once again Fubi, if you want to compare pay rates, you need to look at seat AND longevity. By only using one or the other, you can weave a story any way you want. It is called 'half truth' and is used by weak minded people who can't really present an argument on merits.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yeah...$120. Which, today, is less than a QX CA makes flying a Q400.

How much is a 5 year guy making at Alaska? How much is a 5 year guy making at Virgin?

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

How much is a 5 year guy making at Alaska? How much is a 5 year guy making at Virgin?

Alaska 103
Virgin 78
Alliegent 88
Airtran 93
Jetblue(bus) 88


Hard to complete when your airline can't post a profit. But wait, we have a winner!

US Air East (bus) 75!!!

 

[Flyer1015]

How much is a 5 year guy making at Alaska? How much is a 5 year guy making at Virgin?

Except that 5 year Alaska guy has spent like half that time on furlough!

 

[Fubijaakr]

They're going to say that a 5 year guy at VX is a CA and making $120, a buck less than a QX CA makes flying a Q400.

In other words, they're flying the A320 for turboprop pay. Yet they don't think that has an effect on our wages.

Tsk, tsk.

 

[Flyer1015]

Yeah...$120. Which, today, is less than a QX CA makes flying a Q400.

You're quoting a 4th year Captain pay at Virgin America, and that's what a 4th year Captain makes there. However, there are no 4 year Captains at Horizon. In fact, Horizon is a very senior company with slow movement, and I believe their most junior Captain has 10 years in. Not exactly a fair comparison, as NEdude said, you need to compare seat and longevity.

 

[Fubijaakr]

What did I say...TODAY the average VX CA makes less than the average QX CA. Is that or is that NOT a true statement?

Why is it important? Because when I go to Section 6 this summer, the VX Q400 pay rate will drag down the "industry average" management is in love with.

What rate to YOU think my managers will consider? One that is 6 years in the future for VX or the one they're working for today?

 

[NEDude]

What did I say...TODAY the average VX CA makes less than the average QX CA. Is that or is that NOT a true statement?

Why is it important? Because when I go to Section 6 this summer, the VX Q400 pay rate will drag down the "industry average" management is in love with.

What rate to YOU think my managers will consider? One that is 6 years in the future for VX or the one they're working for today?

Fubi - please reread:
"Once again Fubi, if you want to compare pay rates, you need to look at seat AND longevity. By only using one or the other, you can weave a story any way you want. It is called 'half truth' and is used by weak minded people who can't really present an argument on merits."

 

[HalinTexas]

Don't forget "guarantee," and flight cancelation protection.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Pricing by internet fares forces a race to the bottom. Airlines can only compete by offering less and less. Therefore, there will always be turnover as the profession continues to decline in interest.

Bring airline regulation back.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Alaska 103
Virgin 78
Alliegent 88
Airtran 93
Jetblue(bus) 88


Hard to complete when your airline can't post a profit. But wait, we have a winner!

US Air East (bus) 75!!!

Also don't forget that JB gets time and a half after 75 hours. So hour 75.1-90 is paid at $132/ hour. So a 90 hour month is actually closer to $95/hr. Plus the $13/hr for night flying and extra pay for flag operations.

 

[DeltaLima21]

**bleh**

 

[ttuite]

Guess im lucky. Make over $100k, ski 3-4 days a week in the winter. On the road bike in the summer.. Live in base... I have lots of friends that chased the dream (United, DAL ect..) and have had bad luck.. I would love to think that i could have a chance at "the dream". But for now giving up alot, and taking a chance at that is not on the top of my list.. I hope things change.

Sorry gotta call bullcrap on this one.

 

[silver02ex]

Sorry gotta call bullcrap on this one.

If you fly close to the max per year, I say it's possible to make 100k as a senior CA flying an RJ. Our 15 year guy is making $103/hr at 75 hrs/month, they are pushing close to 93k/year, and getting 15-18 days off.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Ok,
I will state the obvious. Anyone who says sugar, sugar on the radio sounds like a '70s Archies tune and may very well be an idiot!

 

[CaribPilot]

This is the calm before the storm folks. Enjoy it.