DOJ stipulates Love Field gates auctioned only to LCC's

[RJLoser]

Who's an LCC anymore? Checked tickets for my parents a while ago. LCC's were just as, if not more expensive.

 

[waveflyer]

We'll see Howie....


Bye Bye--- General Lee

So you are taking the bet?

A month off if you're wrong?

What's funny is this is the equivalent of a $5 bet for any other normal person

I've done it and I'm the second biggest troll on here-
Yet for you it's a heroine you can't live a week without...

You'd start to get respect if you took and honored a bet like this

 

[Bringupthebird]

Only fair, after having that Wright amendment rammed down their throat for so many years.

Was Southwest prohibited from starting an operation at DFW, or are they just stubborn?

 

[Saluki Dawg]

Here's how I think this could play out. Howard is right that the gates at Love Field have to go to an LCC. I think WN will put in an enormous bid for these gates as they are the more valuable to them than they are to any other LCC. If WN were to win the bid, I could see DOJ telling them that they have to give up one of the two gates to VX or B6. So, WN ends up with 17, UA 2, and VX or B6 1. If NEITHER carrier is interested in moving their current ops over from DFW (VERY POSSIBLE), then WN get both of AA's gates and they call it a day.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Good God, knucklehead, did you even read what he wrote?

He said he was certain that Delta would not get the gates, not that Southwest would get them. Southwest only entered the discussion because then you asked, "what if no LCC wanted them." He responded that at least on LCC (as defined by the DOJ) did want them. He has never equivocated on his belief that Delta would not get them.

So, anyway, you danced around, but never actually said whether you accept the bet, General. Well, DO you accept? Do you agree to bet two months off FI for Howard, if Delta gets the Love Field gates, versus a month off FI for you, if Delta fails in getting those gates? It's a pretty simple question. It's time to put your money where your mouth is. Or rather, it's time to put your post count where your mouth is.

Tell us, General, yes or no on the bet.

Bubba

P.S. After you tell us if you accept the bet or not, you can tell us how Southwest's hiring minimum of requiring a type rating has "hurt the industry," and how Delta's hiring minimum of requiring a 4-year degree in anything has "helped the industry."

General Lee will not take that bet. He will come with his usual lame cop out, then insult you, me, and everyone else here with his usual juvenile tripe.

General Lee is not a pilot, he is a pimple faced, booger eating forum troll. But of course you all know that already All of his knowledge about the airlines comes from reading press releases and obsessively crawling the 5 or so aviation forums. He has been protected by the owners of this site for almost 15 years now, despite constant TOS violations, because he drives up the hit count and increases their ad revenue.

The best way to get rid of this idiot is for everyone to put him on ignore. Don't bet him. Don't goad him. Just ignore him. Let him post 972 more lame press releases to get his 20K posts.

I'd love to apologize, on behalf of all REAL Delta pilots, for his behavior in posing as a Delta pilot and bring a bad image to us, but I won't because after all, most people here know he's not a real pilot.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Was Southwest prohibited from starting an operation at DFW, or are they just stubborn?

Nope, not prohibited initially. Just wanted to use Love, as we were a small, point-to-point intrastate Texas carrier when we started, and using DFW wouldn't have worked for us. Now, we would have to give up a gate at Love field for each and any gate at DFW we used, due to the 2006 compromise agreement between us, American Airlines, and the cities.

Regardless, we still don't want to use DFW; it would hurt our operation. DFW is a huge "fortress" hub, for American's hub-and-spoke operation. During an American wave of departures, you can expect to be on the ground a 45 minutes or more between push and takeoff. With our continual-use operation at Love field (no "banks" of departures), you can push from a gate there, and generally be airborne within minutes. It's worlds more efficient for our type of operation.

Bubba

 

[HowardBorden]

Was Southwest prohibited from starting an operation at DFW, or are they just stubborn?

A year later, a compromise was reached. It allowed Love flights to go anywhere in the U.S. after October 2014, but it also greatly reduced the risk to D/FW and American.....The deal essentially locked Southwest into Love. (It must give up gates to have service at D/FW, a condition that forced Southwest to drop AirTran?s D/FW routes after acquiring that competitor.)

http://www.dallasnews.com/business/...fw-is-flying-high-wright-amendment-or-not.ece

This most likely will be the rationale (as already stated by Kelly) SWA will use to lobby that they should be allowed to bid on the 2 gates being auctioned at Love.

 

[slaquer5]

Was Southwest prohibited from starting an operation at DFW, or are they just stubborn?

I am hoping your kidding.

 

[General Lee]

So you are taking the bet?

A month off if you're wrong?

What's funny is this is the equivalent of a $5 bet for any other normal person

I've done it and I'm the second biggest troll on here-
Yet for you it's a heroine you can't live a week without...

You'd start to get respect if you took and honored a bet like this

Man alive, you really like to bet. Nah, I said we'll see, that is not certainty. And I say I start debate, not troll. Also, you seem to really take this seriously. I actually enjoy this board, and the debate. You sound like you are one beat away from a total heart attack. Don't die Wave! Even I don't want that.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Mercyful Fate]

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[Bringupthebird]

Regardless, we still don't want to use DFW; it would hurt our operation. DFW is a huge "fortress" hub, for American's hub-and-spoke operation. During an American wave of departures, you can expect to be on the ground a 45 minutes or more between push and takeoff. With our continual-use operation at Love field (no "banks" of departures), you can push from a gate there, and generally be airborne within minutes. It's worlds more efficient for our type of operation.

Bubba

Except that SWA operates at LAX, PHX, PHL, BOS, DCA (upcoming),ATL, MIA, MSP, DTW and CLT so operating at a fortress hub doesn't seem to be intolerable.

So does SWA want to be protected from competition at Love, or given the freedom to not be restricted to Love?

 

[ROSWELL41]

Except that SWA operates at LAX, PHX, PHL, BOS, DCA (upcoming),ATL, MIA, MSP, DTW and CLT so operating at a fortress hub doesn't seem to be intolerable.

So does SWA want to be protected from competition at Love, or given the freedom to not be restricted to Love?

Somehow Spirit figured out how to gain a foothold at DFW. I have no doubt WN could too if they wanted.

 

[Flyby1206]

Who's an LCC anymore? Checked tickets for my parents a while ago. LCC's were just as, if not more expensive.

That's the real irony. The true LCCs like Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier aren't interested in these gates/slots because they are too expensive.

 

[ROSWELL41]

That's the real irony. The true LCCs like Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier aren't interested in these gates/slots because they are too expensive.

Those three look for airports to pay them to start service. Paying for gates and slots would be the purview of the 'premium' LCCs VX, B6 and WN.

 

[Scoot 11]

Sometimes you write good stuff!

So you are taking the bet?

You realize you're dealing with a child there, right?

A month off if you're wrong?

Ha! Never happen!

What's funny is this is the equivalent of a $5 bet for any other normal person

Again, $5 is a lot to the child Lee. It's probably 2 or 3 tricks at an ATL airport restroom!

I've done it and I'm the second biggest troll on here-
Yet for you it's a heroine you can't live a week without...

You got that right!:laugh:

You'd start to get respect if you took and honored a bet like this

Respect is something earned! With 19000+ posts, and nothing to offer but "mom insults," it'll never happen! Remember, you're dealing with some booger picking d0uche bag sitting in his parents basement, who gets all his info from blowing some male f/a based in ATL!