DOJ stipulates Love Field gates auctioned only to LCC's

[FlyinGuy]

Flop, your history is actually quite funny. Do one ounce of research and you will find that bubba's posts are correct. But I highly doubt that you are concerned with truth, just your constant SWA bashing!!

 

[slaquer5]

Bubba: You like to talk/write a lot. Diarrhea of the mouth. Just let this marinate on your brain: The DOJ is crafting a deal to make sure you don't have to compete with a legacy. Good for you! It's all good man. Just don't act like you're anything but a cake eater, all right? Cause that's what you are.

Pie, pie. We at SWA like pie .

 

[freightdogfred]

Was Southwest prohibited from starting an operation at DFW, or are they just stubborn?

I think there's some requirement for them to give up gates at Love. I know when they mergered/bought/acquired/cornholed Airtran that station went away immediately and I think it was due to this pesky Wright admendment

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, your history is actually quite funny. Do one ounce of research and you will find that bubba's posts are correct. But I highly doubt that you are concerned with truth, just your constant SWA bashing!!

Bubba writes straight from the cleansed version that SWA wants people to believe. Let's wait and see how Bubba characterizes DL being shuffled off Love Field. We will all get to watch and see exactly what happens, at the same time SWA will start to craft a BS tale of legacy buffoonery and awe shucks SWA wisdom. History does indeed repeat itself.

 

[Flopgut]

We'll see what the DOJ does about the DAL gates. And I realize you'll never admit it, but it's not about competition--we've always competed against all the legacies, including yours. But you'll excuse us if we don't want to fly into a few of the most crowded, fortress hub airports, when there's another airport available nearby to use instead.

Not true. SWA would have had at least 6 of the most convenient gates at IAH. Taxi times are not a problem. I imagine ATC would have relented to basically giving you 26R. Whether or not you realize it, I think SWA mgt realizes, the corndog can't compare favorably in direct competition with a legacy product. The fares are almost the same. Park the corndog next to a 787 or a 777 and SWA customers are going to start to notice and ask "where do those go?" "How much to go to Europe or Hawaii?" That's why you stay away from, and get your butt kicked at these big airports. It's why you don't want a legacy on DAL.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba writes straight from the cleansed version that SWA wants people to believe. Let's wait and see how Bubba characterizes DL being shuffled off Love Field. We will all get to watch and see exactly what happens, at the same time SWA will start to craft a BS tale of legacy buffoonery and awe shucks SWA wisdom. History does indeed repeat itself.

The "cleansed" version, as you call it, is what the actual history supports. Can you find any, single piece of documentation supporting your conspiracy version? Even one single one? You know, to support the idea that little upstart Southwest, the airline that everyone hated in 1973 (including both Dallas airport authorities), somehow had the power to "force" mighty Braniff Airlines to leave Love Field? Or for that matter, any piece of documentation to support any of the absurd stuff you spouted? Just because you hate Southwest, and say anti-Southwest things, doesn't automatically make any of them true. You know that, right?

By the way, unless the DOJ changes its mind, Delta will be "shuffled off" Love Field anyway. While the DOJ is requiring absolutely no divestiture from Delta, the fact remains that Delta owns no gates at Love Field. The gates in question belong to American (subleasing them to Delta), which DID agree to divest them.

You don't like the fact that Delta is losing its sublease? Take it up with American Airlines and the DOJ--it was part of the merger. Is some grand Southwest conspiracy somehow responsible for the American-USAir merger to screw Delta?

You don't like that if someone else gets those two American gates, that there won't be any others for you to use? Take that up with American Airlines and DFW airport authority. They're the ones who wanted Love limited to 20 gates--over Southwest Airline's objections. Was it part of the same conspiracy to limit our own business, just to screw Delta?

Jeez, Flop, at least do a little research before you post things.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

Not true. SWA would have had at least 6 of the most convenient gates at IAH. Taxi times are not a problem. I imagine ATC would have relented to basically giving you 26R. Whether or not you realize it, I think SWA mgt realizes, the corndog can't compare favorably in direct competition with a legacy product. The fares are almost the same. Park the corndog next to a 787 or a 777 and SWA customers are going to start to notice and ask "where do those go?" "How much to go to Europe or Hawaii?" That's why you stay away from, and get your butt kicked at these big airports. It's why you don't want a legacy on DAL.

Get our "butt kicked at big airports"? You mean big like LAX? How about SEA, PDX, STL, SFO, IAD, etc., etc., etc.? We seem to do okay in those cities, "parking the corndog next to a 787 or 777."

Or by, "all these big airports," did you just mean IAH (your pet peeve)? The reason we fly into HOU instead of IAH is because we can get in and out quicker, i.e. save money. That situation (using a different airport in the same city) pretty much exists in 3 places--Dallas, Chicago, and Houston. Have you really not figured out our business plan? We use smaller airports to save time and money when we can, and any other airport when there's no other available.

It's not about being "afraid" of direct competition--it's about saving time and money where we can. Here's a quiz for you Flop: what airline carries more passengers around the country than any other? Could it possibly be one that's "afraid of competition"?

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

The "cleansed" version, as you call it, is what the actual history supports. Can you find any, single piece of documentation supporting your conspiracy version? Even one single one? You know, to support the idea that little upstart Southwest, the airline that everyone hated in 1973 (including both Dallas airport authorities), somehow had the power to "force" mighty Braniff Airlines to leave Love Field? Or for that matter, any piece of documentation to support any of the absurd stuff you spouted? Just because you hate Southwest, and say anti-Southwest things, doesn't automatically make any of them true. You know that, right?

By the way, unless the DOJ changes its mind, Delta will be "shuffled off" Love Field anyway. While the DOJ is requiring absolutely no divestiture from Delta, the fact remains that Delta owns no gates at Love Field. The gates in question belong to American (subleasing them to Delta), which DID agree to divest them.

You don't like the fact that Delta is losing its sublease? Take it up with American Airlines and the DOJ--it was part of the merger. Is some grand Southwest conspiracy somehow responsible for the American-USAir merger to screw Delta?

You don't like that if someone else gets those two American gates, that there won't be any others for you to use? Take that up with American Airlines and DFW airport authority. They're the ones who wanted Love limited to 20 gates--over Southwest Airline's objections. Was it part of the same conspiracy to limit our own business, just to screw Delta?

Jeez, Flop, at least do a little research before you post things.

Bubba

Perfect post Bubba! Read the last 3 paragraphs, that's how the truth gets "cleansed" folks. It's all someone else's fault that SWA has their way at DAL.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Perfect post Bubba! Read the last 3 paragraphs, that's how the truth gets "cleansed" folks. It's all someone else's fault that SWA has their way at DAL.

"Has our way at DAL"? Really?

Do you think that Southwest would have liked to have flown from DAL to other than the border states for the last 35 friggin' years? Do you think that Southwest would like to fly internationally from DAL? Do you think that Southwest would like to have more than 16 (or even 18) gates at DAL, so that we could fly to more places from there? Are those limitations in place to "protect" Southwest?

And in case you missed it, Flop, we're not the ones bitching. That would be Unical over now having to compete internationally in Houston, and you. Well, mostly you. We're going about our business plan, regardless of the obstacles in the way.

Bubba

 

[Flopgut]

"Has our way at DAL"? Really?

Do you think that Southwest would have liked to have flown from DAL to other than the border states for the last 35 friggin' years? Do you think that Southwest would like to fly internationally from DAL? Do you think that Southwest would like to have more than 16 (or even 18) gates at DAL, so that we could fly to more places from there? Are those limitations in place to "protect" Southwest?

And in case you missed it, Flop, we're not the ones bitching. That would be Unical over now having to compete internationally in Houston, and you. Well, mostly you. We're going about our business plan, regardless of the obstacles in the way.

Bubba

Total BS. First paragraph: I don't think anyone remembers that at first you only flew in Texas. That was your excuse/basis for staying at DAL. (Texas only operator meant federal rules did not apply) Somehow that agreement seemed to get updated thru the years in a way that conveniently matched what SWA was ready to expand to next. But NOT so much that it would have been a legit option for a legacy to move into.

Second paragraph: UAL isn't worried about competing with SWA. In fact, we want to compete directly! Side by side. Line yours up and we'll line up ours. That's the purest form of competition there is, and we wanted it. We were rolling out the red carpet. Of course this is usually where you say "you fly from the airports you want, we'll fly from the ones we want", right? Let's examine that, because DL wants a piece of you in DAL. Is DL going to get to fly from the airport they want to?! You starting to see a pattern here!? What could SWA possibly "be bitching" about!? You don't have to abide by any of this stuff other airlines do!

Hey btw: interesting choice on international destinations. You seemed to really tiptoe around the Countries that probably want to see their airlines get equal access to Hobby. Hmmmmm