Does JetBlue have career FO's?

[Ty Webb]

Sea Hag = Chuckie

If you want to make $79/hr max for your whole career and fly with the real senior eastern scabs, then I guess there probably are some career fo's at valujet. I don't know, is that right ty? LOL.

Why would anyone worry about 12th year FO pay at AirTran, unless they were a weak stick like Sea Hag? Upgrade is down to 2.5 years, and 70 more 73NG in the pipeline.

I have been in the left seat for two years here, and I haven't flown with anyone senior to me, so I don't think we have very many, but if Sea Hag could only get through the interview process, he could be our token non-upgradeable 737 guy . . . . too bad he can't get through the door.

Et tu, Chuckie?

 

[Ty Webb]

Yep, we's gots them. Strange bunch no doubt mostly hired in 85. It's a wonder how we get planes off the ground with all the scabs and 15 hour female chick pilots we have and no red blooded anglo american apple pie eaten white guy's like you all to save them.....Sarcasm off.

Cheers

The point, Chief, isn't that they are chicks or non-white, the point is that they were hired with low time and no turbine PIC at a time when there were plenty of high-time experienced white guys on the street.

Sarcasm back ON

 

[koko nw]

The point, Chief, isn't that they are chicks or non-white, the point is that they were hired with low time and no turbine PIC at a time when there were plenty of high-time experienced white guys on the street.

Sarcasm back ON

Like you right...Sport.

Look Tye I know you have a hard on with UAL and in particular with our hiring practices. Fine. If it's any consolation, I too find the Intern and mentor program to be egregous as well, bypassing well qualified applicants in lieu of low time unproven commodities.
Also 32lt comments are both reprehensible and totally inappropriate towards Aitran as well as Jetblue. Both fine companies who have hired a number of my furloughed brothers and possibly even sisters

BUT I won't castize a whole group of fine aviators due to the actions of a few, and you know EVERY pilot group has them but if it makes you folks ego and percieved self worth feel any better... have at it.

Peace?

Koko

 

[koko nw]

Why do the United pilots get so sensative to what was so obvious with their hiring quotas and profiles in the past?

Sort of like Airtran pilots getting riled up about their ValueJet heritage...Both happend in the past and for the most have little bearing on what the companies present true self is all about. Theirs alot of good about both UAL and Airtran that get's missed because we tend to linger on those two "periods" during their respective past. JMHO.

Koko

 

[JP4user]

Sort of like Airtran pilots getting riled up about their ValueJet heritage...Both happend in the past and for the most have little bearing on what the companies present true self is all about. Theirs alot of good about both UAL and Airtran that get's missed because we tend to linger on those two "periods" during their respective past. JMHO.

Koko

All right I'll agree with that. It just seems that sometimes there are those at United that pretend that these hiringpractices either didn't not exist or they minimize it greatly.

 

[koko nw]

All right I'll agree with that. It just seems that sometimes there are those at United that pretend that these hiringpractices either didn't not exist or they minimize it greatly.

There's certainly some minimizing going on, no doubt. Believe me folks in my peer group have no special love of the interns and special interest groups in "general". I've flown with both and have had positive reactions for the most part but I've alway's felt like like they circumvented the hiring practices and were not "competitive" enough to garner an interview while some of my friends with equal or greater quals to mine never got a call from from Nancy S. BUT they are a SMALL minority of the pilots at UAL, no pun intended.

But some of the friction you see is because your trying to crap where I eat and like any family , we tend to circle the wagons and ready our defenses against an "outsider" slinging hash against our fellow UAL pilots.

Tailwinds

Koko

 

[Oh-ryan]

So, I was thinking of starting a new thread about career FO's at jetBlue. Anyone think that would be a good topic? Maybe I will title it "Does JetBlue have career FO's?"

What are the chances the posts will go way, way, way, way off topic?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

So, I was thinking of starting a new thread about career FO's at jetBlue. Anyone think that would be a good topic? Maybe I will title it "Does JetBlue have career FO's?"

What are the chances the posts will go way, way, way, way off topic?

Sooooooo... what you're really saying is: "Why does United have so many chics?"

I think the question should be: "Are any of them hot?"

 

[MRYFLYER]

Why would anyone worry about 12th year FO pay at AirTran, unless they were a weak stick like Sea Hag? Upgrade is down to 2.5 years, and 70 more 73NG in the pipeline.

I have been in the left seat for two years here, and I haven't flown with anyone senior to me, so I don't think we have very many, but if Sea Hag could only get through the interview process, he could be our token non-upgradeable 737 guy . . . . too bad he can't get through the door.

Et tu, Chuckie?

Perhaps today's announcement of a scale back in airplanes could throw a Skywrench in those quick upgrades. Of course things never change in this industry so I am sure you will continue to have 2.5 year LCCaptains.

 

[MRYFLYER]

Why do the United pilots get so sensative to what was so obvious with their hiring quotas and profiles in the past?

Why do the Airtran guys pretend like their company did not evolve from VJ? Or CAL was a haven for those that crossed the picket lines and were in BK twice?

 

[skykid]

Why do the United pilots get so sensative to what was so obvious with their hiring quotas and profiles in the past?

BECAUSE THAT IS A LOT OF BS!!! And I'm not talking about the way you spelled sensitive.

Ty, I know all about the intern program, but the only pilot I know who got hired with a couple hundred hours got hired about 50 years ago because NO ONE ELSE WAS APPLYING! I met lots of interns who were hoping they could do their time at a regional - several years of hard flying, and then get on at United. It doesn't surprise me you are still dogging on United - your're the one who posted a picture of a United plane "tanking" about a year or so after a couple friends of mine "tanked" on 11 Sep 2001.

I was an insider, I might know a little more than you. I was the second lowest guy in hours in my new hire class of 20 with about 3,200 hours. All male, all white, 75% ex-military. The guy with less hours than me was an Air Force Thunderbird. He didn't have any big airplane experience, but he could fly a little bit.

If you can give specific examples of people who got on with a few hundred hours and can't upgrade - DO IT!!! Post it and have some proof to back it up!!! I'd bet the mortgage the number of people who can't upgrade is a lot closer to 5 than 500.

I'll give a specific example - I flew with a 30 year old 737 Captain who was an intern. he got hired with a little over 2,000 hours and was one of the best pilots I've ever flown with. The only problem I see for him is staying focused because he is going to be in this game for a long time.

I say again - the people who perpetuate this BS have the need to feel superior to someone else, or didn't get hired and need someone to blame. Or, couldn't get one of those intern positions. To deny this is laughable.

 

[rfresh]

So, what's the summary here? Do the majors no longer have the 'up or out' policy? If you can't upgrade to Captain, they just let you stay in the right seat for the rest of your career?

 

[fatboyplt]

Well said, Skykid.

Birdman
BTV

 

[Malcolm]

A good point.....

Why do the Airtran guys pretend like their company did not evolve from VJ?

I don't think anyone pretends anything. The point I have always had is that the Valujet reference is ALWAYS associated with someone on these forums looking to hurt and insult. Why doesn't anyone ever bring up the association of AirTran with the ORIGINAL AirTran Airways.... (you know.... the airline whose name and operating certificate we operate under)?? I'll tell you why....... people don't mention that because there is nothing deragatory or insulting there.... so its not insulting enough..... so they conveniently omit that connection.

The FACT is that the HUGE majority of Pilots at AirTran NEVER worked for Valujet. In fact there is NOTHING at AirTran right now that is even associated with the now defunct Valujet (management, Aircraft, fare structure, routes). Valujet is a company that is long gone. I couldn't care less about the association of AirTran and Valujet. I do however care about people and there insulting unprofessional demeanors when they cower behind their keyboards anonymously saying things that they would NEVER say to ones face. (i.e. using an aircraft accident with fatalities as some sort of insult). I don't do that and wouldn't do that, and don't tolerate people that stoop to the lowest level.

As far as United.... in the late 90's Pilots of all types would give their left arm to work there. United's ranks are filled with saome of the most experienced Pilots in the world.... period. Pilots everywhere owe them for the indusrty leading contract that they were able to obtain.... even if it wasn't sustainable.... it gives some sort of reference of what Industry leaders means.

To deny any of this is ridiculous and insulting to anyone with any sort of industry knowledge. If you read Skykids post above... it sums it up so accurately.

Ciao!

 

[skykid]

As far as United.... in the late 90's Pilots of all types would give their left arm to work there. United's ranks are filled with saome of the most experienced Pilots in the world.... period.

You are correct sir. When I worked there I was humbled by some of the resumes of the guys in the seat next to me. If the BS these idiots were slinging was true, you would be able to look at the safety record at United and validate it. Truth is, United has a great safety record. I love the way these guys with no actual knowledge of anything going on there are willing to spew their version of what they heard or or wanted to hear from the outside.