DL/NWA predictions.....

[Superpilot92]

I think we could try a DC9 Super HUB at LBB. Think about it, we could use 68 DC9s to overrun the place, and kick Southwest OUT. We could have hourly service to beautiful cities like Harlingen, Midland, and maybe Amarillo. I'd bid that in a heartbeat! That would be fantastic!


Bye Bye--General Lee

I agree! Texas flying is sssswwwweeeeetttt!!!:beer:

 

[Cobra17]

Delta, pilots reach deal on contract: report
Thursday April 10, 7:18 pm ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Delta Air Lines (NYSEAL - News) and its pilots union have tentatively agreed on a contract that would give pilots a pay raise and an equity stake if the carrier were to merge with Northwest Airlines (NYSE:NWA - News), according to a Bloomberg report late on Thursday.
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Northwest and Delta would not confirm the report that Delta had negotiated a separate deal with its 7,000 pilots. Northwest's 5,000 pilots would be asked to join under a single contract later.

The apparent deal is another sign that Delta and Northwest could move forward with their plans to create the world's largest airline as early as next week.

The deal does not resolve the sticking point that prevented Delta and Northwest from proposing a merger in the first place last month -- how pilots from both airlines would resolve seniority issues and work together under one company.

In fact, the two pilot groups had agreed during their negotiations on seniority to back a proposal for higher pay and a stake in the combined carrier.

Sorting out seniority could take months to complete or even wait until after a merger is finalized.

Both pilot groups, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), have said they would not support consolidation unless terms of a deal were favorable to them.

Bloomberg, citing people familiar with the talks, said the combined company would retain the Delta name, its Atlanta headquarters, and be run by Delta Chief Executive Richard Anderson. Those three elements were part of the original plan as well.

The merger would include a small premium for Northwest investors, Bloomberg reported.

On the New York Stock Exchange, Delta closed up 9.4 percent at $9.75, while Northwest climbed 12.6 percent to $10.87.

Grabbing some more popcorn...this should be a lot of fun to watch.

This merger is being pushed by several hedge funds (formerly known as Frank Lorenzo). Think they have a long term interest in your company or improving employees' morale, pay, and benefits?

At least ALPA is united, so everyone will be looking out for each other and not just their own interests.

Good Luck!

 

[N2264J]

Re: DL/NWA predictions...

At least ALPA is united, so everyone will be looking out for each other and not just their own interests.

Your sarcasm is noted.

Apparently, the Delta pilots cut a deal with management without the knowledge or consent of the Northwest pilots thereby regionalizing them.

I can't wait 'til Occam's Razor comes to so we can ask the ALPA mouthpiece what that feels like.

 

[NuGuy]

I agree! Texas flying is sssswwwweeeeetttt!!!:beer:

Nah, man, new hub in FSD...those MOT overnights are SWEET!

Nu

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

The Financial Times says Mon, and the Wall Street Journal and AP say Tue.

cliff
YIP

 

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I'll up a Wednesday, anybody out?

 

[3ds]

12 hrs over/under. Mon PM

 

[ACL65PILOT]

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[DrunkIrishman]

The arrogance of some of you Delta pilots is stunning! To those of you Delta j$ck$sses that thought the merger wouldn't happen without your blessing I say you really need to stop wearing your uniforms when you're off duty.

As for seniority integration...the only pilot group in the business that puts so much prestige on equipment flown is Delta. None of the rest of us cares what we fly...we just want the days off and the $$. Some of you bring up the DC-9's being old and so only NWA pilots should be furloughed...how is Delta doing in the Asia market? NWA does well there...stop cherrypicking arguments that suit your position.

As Dream stated earlier, you ALL had better thank your lucky stars that both companies haven't filed bankruptcy....again!!! Career expectations...are you kidding me...how about survival. DAL and NWA pilots had better realize the peril their companies are in in this economy. Both groups should be working together towards making a better and more competitive business model.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'll up a Wednesday, anybody out?

.....I'll take Tues. morning before the market opens.....

 

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...how is Delta doing in the Asia market?

FANTASTIC, they are really excited about the numbers for Shanghai.

 

[PuffDriver]

FANTASTIC, they are really excited about the numbers for Shanghai.

Not to mention the operating margin for NWA in the PAC is just over 8% while Delta's is just over 10%.

I hate wearing my uniform, and always commute in civvies.

Being as there is no announcement, we will have to wait to decide whether or not they did the merger without the blessing of the MEC. I have always stated that they would regardless.

I would happily fly a -9 if the circumstances are right, am flying one now, and somewhat miss steam guages.

How arrogant is a rj driver throwing around mud without really knowing much?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The arrogance of some of you Delta pilots is stunning! ...blah blah blah.

As for seniority integration...the only pilot group in the business that puts so much prestige on equipment flown is Delta. None of the rest of us cares what we fly...we just want the days off and the $$. Some of you bring up the DC-9's being old and so only NWA pilots should be furloughed...how is Delta doing in the Asia market? NWA does well there...stop cherrypicking arguments that suit your position.

...blah blah blah.. acouple things in the last paragraph were true...blah blah blah

Let's see, in 2 weeks, we've made a million on freight alone to PVG. Our margins are asia are great. So, moving on.

You seem to make an argument about us bragging about equipment and not about QOL and money. Welp, not only do we typically fly larger aircraft, we make considerably more than NWA guys do on their larger aircraft on our smaller aircraft and have better QOL.

Last I checked the hat comes off the moment I am outside of the airport and the uniform is off at first convienience. Work hard, play harder.

 

[FlyWolf]

We have been hearing a rumor of an announcement and a news conference is scheduled for tomorrow by Midwest, I wonder if it has anything to do with the NWA/DAL merger.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Puff-

Asia MARKET numn$ts! Shanghai is ONE city that DAL only recently began service. NWA has an established hub in NRT.

An rj condesention again from a DAL guy...wow that is a shock. You merely prove my point about DAL guys putting so much into aircraft type.

Lastly, I don't fly an rj. Would you care to measure your manhood against mine using something else, or can you accept that the only thing that matters in this profession is how much they'll pay you to stay home as much as you can?

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Puff-

BTW, I am assuming that you are a DAL guy since you are responding to my post directed at them. My apologies otherwise.

 

[Superpilot92]

http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/-delt...unce-combination-deal-/2008/04/13/3383662.htm

Delta, Northwest eye Tuesday to possibly announce combination deal; pilot issues still linger


(Associated Press WorldStream Via Thomson Dialog NewsEdge) ATLANTA_Delta and Northwest could announce a combination as early as Tuesday that would create the world's biggest airline, but pilot contract issues still loomed and there was no guarantee the deal would move ahead, three people familiar with the talks said.

The people, who spoke on condition of anonymity Sunday because of the sensitivity of the situation, said officials were mobilizing for an announcement provided the boards of the two companies give final approval to a deal.

The boards of both companies have been having ongoing merger-related conversations. They could meet Monday to discuss moving forward, a person familiar with the talks said.

It was increasingly likely the two airlines would proceed without a prearranged seniority integration agreement between their pilots unions making one of the main issues whether pilots would accept a merger.

Leaders of Northwest's pilot union leaders issued a memo to rank-and-file pilots Sunday saying that they will oppose any merger that does not keep the interests of Northwest pilots "at the forefront of the decision-making process."

The union leaders, who met in Minnesota, said any combination must involve "fair and equitable seniority list integration."

It also remains unclear whether Delta pilots would be willing to make changes to their contract to give Delta more flexibility after a combination, one of the people said.

Delta may be willing to give incentives to Delta pilots to alter their contract, another person familiar with the talks said.

The changes being sought are related to the scope section in the Delta pilot contract, which in part spells out what planes pilots fly and what routes they fly, people familiar with the talks said.

Any changes to the contract, including financial incentives, would apply to only Delta pilots since their contract only governs that airline's pilots. Northwest pilots have a separate contract.

A memo sent Friday from Delta's pilots union to its members said union leaders were meeting in special session in Atlanta. It did not say what they were discussing. That meeting continued Sunday, people familiar with the talks said.

The usual approach in airline combinations has been to have pilots work out a joint union contract after a deal is announced. Atlanta-based Delta Air Lines Inc. and Eagan, Minnesota-based Northwest Airlines Corp. took a different approach in their talks for months, figuring that if they could obtain full pilot agreements in advance they would reap the benefit of a combined airline much sooner.

With that in mind, pilots were in line to get raises and equity in the combined company. But the two groups could not agree on seniority, which determines who flies more desirable aircraft and routes.

Now, the rising cost of oil has put all airlines under intense financial pressure. Since the talks began, Delta and Northwest have announced plans to reduce capacity this year, and Delta has announced plans to eliminate 2,000 jobs

 

[737 Pylt]

Puff-

Asia MARKET numn$ts! Shanghai is ONE city that DAL only recently began service. NWA has an established hub in NRT.

An rj condesention again from a DAL guy...wow that is a shock. You merely prove my point about DAL guys putting so much into aircraft type.

Lastly, I don't fly an rj. Would you care to measure your manhood against mine using something else, or can you accept that the only thing that matters in this profession is how much they'll pay you to stay home as much as you can?

Drunk:
While I'm sure you're a blast in the crew room hanging your winkie out telling other crew members how well endowed you are....Please give us a break as some of us are consuming alcohol while reading this board, and now have the tedious duty of cleaning off our keyboards after spitting beer from our nose!
Thanks alot!

737
Keep it in your pants dude!

 

[tomgoodman]

Wise restraint

I can't wait 'til Occam's Razor comes to .....

I suspect that Occam is holding his fire until it becomes clear "what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Atlanta to be born."

 

[NuGuy]

I suspect that Occam is holding his fire until it becomes clear "what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches toward Atlanta to be born."

"All hope abandon, ye who enter here"

Nu