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[shooter]

No, what I said was that some, indeterminate number of the jobs being lost are "McJobs"...low paying, part-time jobs that have no benefits to speak of. Those kinds of positions are typically filled by students, housewives, and people monlighting from their primary occupation. They are not a family's sole source of income. While losing that "job" may mean having to sell a boat or sports car or picking up more student debt, I doubt any of them will lose their farm over this.

(If anybody really wants to continue tossing boxes, UPS and FedEx are hiring constantly out of Cincinnati, Dayton, and Columbus, and there's a major truck terminal right down the road)

From an individual pilot's perspective, this WILL be catastrophic. But because most of them don't live here, the economic loss to Clinton county won't be that great.

The real bite to the community will come from the loss of the office, admin, and support jobs. Many of those people are heads of households, do reside in and around Wilmington, and do rely on the benefits provided by their respective employers. While office and admin jobs are pretty generic, Flight support people in particular are highly trained and somewhat specialized, which will make it difficult for them to find comparable work in the area. Hopefully, DPWN/DHL will be more than a little generous in helping those folks along in their relocation, or transition to another line of work should they so choose.

I see. Some of the jobs are the part time jobs like you say. Those are gone for ever since they are part time. With gas at $4 a gallon, they will not be driving to Cincinnati, Dayton or Columbus for them.

I don't know who or what businesses the economic task force is trying to attract. With an airport, you would assume that would be the first industry to look at. And we all know too well the state of this industry. So some other industry would be more likely. And that is where trade adjustment assistance should come in to get the people in the area ready for whatever may come. But ILN workers do not qualify to get that since the jobs are not going over seas. It is a mess. But if everyone keeps working, maybe it could turn out to be alright. Time will tell, I am hoping for the best.

 

[Bob Dylan]

From my understanding, UPS cannot offer preferential interviews to ATSG or Astar employees, because then the lawmakers will claim that it is a quasi-merger.

I believe UPS would have given pref. interviews had it not been for the stink ALPA kicked up. JMHO.

 

[hvydriver]

From my understanding, UPS cannot offer preferential interviews to ATSG or Astar employees, because then the lawmakers will claim that it is a quasi-merger.

I believe UPS would have given pref. interviews had it not been for the stink ALPA kicked up. JMHO.

That would be utterly and totally wrong. We picketed after the request was made to UPS by the IPA and denied. Further, preferential interviews would have no bearing on the quasi-merger of DHL/UPS either way. To review, 1200 pilots, who knows how many mechanics, dispatchers, admin. personnel etc. out of a job, for a small handful of positions at UPS. Anyone in ILN would have better odds with a Powerball ticket than that.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I see. Some of the jobs are the part time jobs like you say. Those are gone for ever since they are part time. With gas at $4 a gallon, they will not be driving to Cincinnati, Dayton or Columbus for them.

As a point of interest, I'm not sure how many were driving from Cincinnati before. What I DO know is that the last time ABX was recruiting package sorters from the Cincy area, they were telling applicants that "bus transportation was available" I don't know if that was free, or what.

Also, I was wrong when I said that those P/T jobs didn't have benefits. Apparently, medical/dental/ vision and life insurance WAS a part of the offer. I'm not sure if it was included, or there was an upcharge for it, but it would change the demographic of those who worked there. Sorry if I misled.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

From my understanding, UPS cannot offer preferential interviews to ATSG or Astar employees, because then the lawmakers will claim that it is a quasi-merger.

I have heard the same thing, and from a lawyer, no less!

I believe UPS would have given pref. interviews had it not been for the stink ALPA kicked up. JMHO.

I disagree. Other than the initial start-up of their air ops, UPS - the company - has never given preferential interviews to anybody for line-pilot positions. Part of the reason is that the hiring process there is pretty objective to begin with. If you have the right quals and fit the right demographic, AND they're hiring, you may get a call. If you don't (or they're not) they won't let their arm be twisted into hiring you. Once you get the call, of course, letters of reccommendation help. But it's HR that makes the final decision, not the union.

That "stink that ALPA kicked up" was primarily the result of some Astar guys who, in a moment of stunned disbelief, demonstrated their insolence. To the best of my knowledge, it wasn't sanctioned or supported by ALPA national. It was a dumb move for sure, but what effect it will have on future hiring, nobody knows. I had lunch with a couple of UPS guys recently, who told me privately (and off the record) that "they don't care if they (the Astar pilots) never find jobs in this business again." So I guess it would be something an Astar guy would want to distance himself from, if and when he does get an interview there.

 

[rotor&wing]

That "stink that ALPA kicked up" was primarily the result of some Astar guys who, in a moment of stunned disbelief, demonstrated their insolence. To the best of my knowledge, it wasn't sanctioned or supported by ALPA national. It was a dumb move for sure, but what effect it will have on future hiring, nobody knows. I had lunch with a couple of UPS guys recently, who told me privately (and off the record) that "they don't care if they (the Astar pilots) never find jobs in this business again." So I guess it would be something an Astar guy would want to distance himself from, if and when he does get an interview there.

Your "knowledge" is once again severely lacking.

 

[hvydriver]

Actually, it was sanctioned by ALPA. All expenses paid out of the national coffers. Prater also testified at both hearings. As an aside, out of Mullen's own mouth, he stated that UPS contacted DHL first about the idea of taking over the US air/sort ops. for DHL during the Transportation hearing.

 

[shooter]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Dylan
From my understanding, UPS cannot offer preferential interviews to ATSG or Astar employees, because then the lawmakers will claim that it is a quasi-merger.

I have heard the same thing, and from a lawyer, no less!

I don't really want a long drawn out conversation, but does anyone know how that would be a quasi-merger but they think what their plans are not a quasi-merger? Like I said, not a debate, not an argument, just a simple question of clarification on how preferential interviews are grounds for a merger argument.

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I don't really want a long drawn out conversation, but does anyone know how that would be a quasi-merger but they think what their plans are not a quasi-merger? Like I said, not a debate, not an argument, just a simple question of clarification on how preferential interviews are grounds for a merger argument.

Once you "combine" workforces, it's pretty hard to argue that you haven't "combined" the work they do. I.E., the companies themselves. It's bad enough that they're providing an essential component of a service to a competitor. I doubt they'd want to provoke further inquiry into this deal by agreeing to hire their competitor's former employees to do the work.

 

[shooter]

Once you "combine" workforces, it's pretty hard to argue that you haven't "combined" the work they do. I.E., the companies themselves. It's bad enough that they're providing an essential component of a service to a competitor. I doubt they'd want to provoke further inquiry into this deal by agreeing to hire their competitor's former employees to do the work.

Why not would be my question. The employees in question are no longer working and seeking employment. Interesting how lawyers interpret things sometimes.

 

[Publishers]

The question of the day, name all the air freight operations that have shut down in the last 20 years and the supplemental lift carriers that worked theml.

 

[fob727]

brown stuff

I have heard the same thing, and from a lawyer, no less!

I disagree. Other than the initial start-up of their air ops, UPS - the company - has never given preferential interviews to anybody for line-pilot positions. Part of the reason is that the hiring process there is pretty objective to begin with. If you have the right quals and fit the right demographic, AND they're hiring, you may get a call. If you don't (or they're not) they won't let their arm be twisted into hiring you. Once you get the call, of course, letters of reccommendation help. But it's HR that makes the final decision, not the union.

That "stink that ALPA kicked up" was primarily the result of some Astar guys who, in a moment of stunned disbelief, demonstrated their insolence. To the best of my knowledge, it wasn't sanctioned or supported by ALPA national. It was a dumb move for sure, but what effect it will have on future hiring, nobody knows. I had lunch with a couple of UPS guys recently, who told me privately (and off the record) that "they don't care if they (the Astar pilots) never find jobs in this business again." So I guess it would be something an Astar guy would want to distance himself from, if and when he does get an interview there.

Give me a break! Where do you get your info.?

W.D., once again you show your ignorance.

 

[mxer]

There is a huge difference between granting interviews and combining a workforce. A job doesn't have to offered as a result of the interview. Also, it is not a one for one. Nobody would assume twelve hundred pilots would not only get an interview but be guarenteed a position, not to mention the other seven thousand that stand to be unemployed. If your lawyer couldn't fight that battle, you need a new lawyer.

 

[shooter]

The question of the day, name all the air freight operations that have shut down in the last 20 years and the supplemental lift carriers that worked theml.

Whew, thats a broad question. Kind of like the professor that says your exam is only one question, with 78 parts. A quick reply would be, not as many as passenger carriers.

 

[Publishers]

Start by naming who flew for Purolator, CF, Emery, UPS, Flying Tigers, Airbourne, USPS, etc... Hubs that were shut down in Columbus, Indiannapolis, Cincinnati, Terre Haute, and various other cities.