Delta

[jetflyer]

Acarpe,

You forget that oil has gotten as high as $59.00 a barrel.

You forget that at the same time more and more competition by LCCs have been sharing Delta's route system including Airtran, Southwest, and Jet Blue.

You forget that the INTERNET, at the same time as getting the horrible RJs, has made it to where people can compare the prices from point A to B of 6-10 airlines at one time.

These things have done way more damage than any RJ.

Are you too moronic and in your own little shut-off world to realize these things have a TREMENDOUS impact on Delta's bottom line? Where have you been??

Spare us your moronic ANTI-RJ B.S.

Jet

 

[cmrflyer]

Have you all forgotten that Delta insists on flying out dates pieces of sh!t. 737-200, md88s,90s, even those piece of sh!t 767 are mostly ex Gulf Air. All old high MX crap. The company is living in the past and with GG there, (all 77 years of him) things are not going to improve. I heard he is thinking of buying some new DC3s (they were the latest things when he got into the industry). He has a great vision of the future, ask anyone one of your grand parents, they are bond you agree, old people are really up on modern events and what the next generation want and expect!
How can they lower their costs, their AC are all gas hogs, their AC are out of date, their customer service is on par with MESA. And they all think lowering ticket prices when fuel cost go up is a good idea.
Delta is going down.
I shall stand on the sidelines and watch.
Burb baby, BURN!!!!
Thats right GG you senile old git, you and you cronies are morons. That goes for you too General Lee, you spasmodic retard. One day you will grow up and realise the rest of the world owes you nothing. So polish up your CV, GGwill make sure you will be needing it soon.
Good luck

 

[General Lee]

Have you all forgotten that Delta insists on flying out dates pieces of sh!t. 737-200, md88s,90s, even those piece of sh!t 767 are mostly ex Gulf Air. All old high MX crap. The company is living in the past and with GG there, (all 77 years of him) things are not going to improve. I heard he is thinking of buying some new DC3s (they were the latest things when he got into the industry). He has a great vision of the future, ask anyone one of your grand parents, they are bond you agree, old people are really up on modern events and what the next generation want and expect!
How can they lower their costs, their AC are all gas hogs, their AC are out of date, their customer service is on par with MESA. And they all think lowering ticket prices when fuel cost go up is a good idea.
Delta is going down.
I shall stand on the sidelines and watch.
Burb baby, BURN!!!!
Thats right GG you senile old git, you and you cronies are morons. That goes for you too General Lee, you spasmodic retard. One day you will grow up and realise the rest of the world owes you nothing. So polish up your CV, GGwill make sure you will be needing it soon.
Good luck

Yeah ok man, quit smokin the chronic. Those airplanes make more money than the RJs when put head to head with a LCC 717 or 737---because we can carry more people and spread out the costs. Those 737-200s have very low lease rates because they are old. Kolshak said he got a very good deal on the remaining ones. And, the Lessor who owns the Delta Shuttle 733's came to us and asked us if we could keep them for even a better deal. We said yes for another 2 years. Your RJs are only good at point to point with NO LCC competition, and you are running out of room for that and the LCCs are growing. Soon, those 50 seaters will be parked, and you WILL be on the sidelines. And we only have a few Gulf Air 767s by the way. And, all out of date aircraft? How about those new 764's or 7 777s? How about those new 738's with huds? All old? You are wrong.

As far as GG----he actually gives a dam, and is staying for little pay or renumeration. His wife actually wants him to move back to SEA (he owns Bill Gates first large house there), but he wants to make sure DL will be ok in the long run. His cronies are actually the ones that want to be here also, because the days of the "big bonuses" are OVER---and GG said that to them. The others were fired. Sure, some of the current ones got options--but they are only good if we do well-----nice carrot.

Spasmodic moron? What? You sound ridiculous. I don't think the world owes me anything----you owe me something though--a good debate. You haven't brought anything to the table. You sound bitter and are probably scared of Mesa---they have a 12 year contract. Who knows? Stay OFF the Chronic please, ask Fins, it will take over your life....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jetflyer]

I shall stand on the sidelines and watch.
Burn baby, BURN!!!!

Cmrflyer,
You had me laughing pretty good with that spasmodic post!

You don't work for Comair anymore??

Because if you do you're not on the sidelines. We're all in this together. If Delta burns we at Comair will burn too. I believe our fates are intertwined.

Many people think Comair will continue on its own if Delta goes under for good one day. I think Comair would eventually fail one day on its own, but maybe just maybe it could work. If Comair does try to do it alone, I think it will have to shrink severely initially, and to compete in this airline environment like Indy Air would be very tough.

Jet

 

[General Lee]

I think DL will get cheaper lift and will survive until better days, and then thrive again. The pension problems will be solved with legislation, and the debt problems will be partially solved by selling DCI and the RJ debt(up to $8 billion), and the rest will be paid off with lower labor costs unfortunately. If they can get $5 billion a year in savings, eventually the debt will be paid off (slowly though). Gas will be the X Factor, but some anal-cysts think oil will be in the $40 range, and that might be enough for DL to prosper. We shall see, but owning DCI will eventually be old news. And, Comair spun off will probably look like Indy Air---with tons of profitable RJs....? Go for it. (I'll be on the JFK--Buenos Aires route)



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[cmrflyer]

No i still work here, but i am sick of seeing the back stabbing by managment. All i have to look forward these days is watching the massive mess they are creating with their old school ideas bring the company crashing down around them.


General, your AC are all out of date. Have you ever looked inside a foreign carriers cabin. Try looking in an SAA A340-600, virgin A340-600, Singapore 747s or an Emirates airbus. Even Virgin (a LCC) had TVs in the back of their economy seats in 1991! Something Song seems to think is amazing in 2005, even you in past posts boast about how "cool" these "modern" marvels are, its old news, Delta is not cutting edge, it offers no more than the lowest of the low. MESA and Delta are a perfect match for each other.
How can you tell me your AC aren't out of date, your blind ignorance about how wonderful your leadership is make you blind to the rest of industry, and its advancements.
So come on General tell me how having out of date interiors is good for bussiness, how its all part of the big plan. Maybe its "retro airline", living in the past as usual, and dont give me "we are putting leather seats in all AC and improving lighting" crap, if i want to hear that I'll listen to GG.
You can't polish a turd, and right now Delta looks like a massive steaming one on a hot summers day.
Delta celebrating our 75th
And last year in bussiness.

 

[sleepy]

Dosen't Ever Leave The Airport. At least they didn't on my flight last night. Left a full 767's worth of passengers stranded in FLL. I understand that aircraft break, but the way they treated the pax left a lot to be desired. I was lucky enough to get on a later flight.

Just for example, one of my fellow pax's that had been in First Class on the broken bird was looking for his seat on the new aircraft. He shows his boarding pass to the lead FA and says, "I can't find my seat, I was in First Class." The FA looks at the boarding pass and says, "Well you are not in First Class anymore, but you get to walk through First Class on your way to your seat in the back!". The pax was pissed, and I can't blame him. He walked back to his seat mumbling, "but I paid for First Class". That kind of fine customer service is why DAL is still losing money.

 

[cmrflyer]

That is one of the many problems they face. I'm sure the FA is great at her job, at least that is what Delta would say, but i am sure the traveling public might have a different view.

Nice, treat the pax like crap, next time they will be going on GreyHound. At least there they expect to be treated like that.

 

[a320drivr]

To my knowledge there is no a340-800. There is a -300, -500, -600, and -200

 

[cmrflyer]

sorry typo 600. Four for the long haul.

 

[FDJ2]

sorry typo 600.

Your entire post is a typo. Have a nice day.

 

[cmrflyer]

Amazing another poster of shear ignorance, time to pull you head out of the sand and catch a glimps of reality. Why do you consider my post "a typo". Please explain. I can't wait to hear how you disagree and think all airlines should fly passengers in AC with interiors from 1982. So go ahead and Mr The Eighties Were Cool, explain yourself.

As I'm sure you would never fly on a foreign carrier, you should check out their interiors on www.airliners.net. See what you are missing out on. Then after that you can stick your head back in the sand.

 

[FDJ2]

Please explain. I can't wait to hear how you disagree and think all airlines should fly passengers in AC with interiors from 1982. So go ahead and Mr The Eighties Were Cool, explain yourself.

cmrflyer, you wrote: General, your AC are all out of date.

Well that's not neccessarily so. You use Singapore Airlines as a comparison. Apples to Oranges. Singapore Airlines has a whopping fleet of 88 aircraft, mostly all longhaul, with very little LCC competition and certainly no RJs in their fleet mix.

Now you can define out of date any way you want, but for me an airliner that is less than 10 years old is not out of date, and Delta has plenty of them.


8 777s average age 5.3

21 767-400s average age 4.2

59 767ERs average age 9.7

71 737-800s average age 4.5

That's 159 aircraft with a combined average age of less than 6.5 years and not one of those aircraft was built in 1982, probably the year you were born. Of course that's not even counting Delta's large fleet of 229 world class CRJ100/200s and their world class cutting edge interiors.

Have a nice day Mr Grumpy.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The RJ's are looking like jewels after only a few years of service. ASA has a remarkable depreciation programme for the CRJ- Don't clean it until it smells and looks like a steaming pile of dung. Then get MESA on board and see if they can't do it better for less. Delta sucks, and I'm outta this legacy family. Sorry to all Delta loyals who have to fly on RJs now. Delta USED to mean first class. But now it means- 'we can't compete so everyone will be flying on a dirty RJ'. Not my fault.

 

[MedFlyer]

Now you can define out of date any way you want, but for me an airliner that is less than 10 years old is not out of date, and Delta has plenty of them.

8 777s average age 5.3

21 767-400s average age 4.2

59 767ERs average age 9.7

71 737-800s average age 4.5

That's 159 aircraft with a combined average age of less than 6.5 years and not one of those aircraft was built in 1982, probably the year you were born.

DL does have a some younger planes, but you conveniently left out the other 400 planes that aren't so new. DL's average aircraft age for mainline is 14 years.....second oldest among U.S. Majors (NW takes the grand prize).

 

[sweptback]

cmrflyer, you wrote: General, your AC are all out of date.

Well that's not neccessarily so. You use Singapore Airlines as a comparison. Apples to Oranges. Singapore Airlines has a whopping fleet of 88 aircraft, mostly all longhaul, with very little LCC competition and certainly no RJs in their fleet mix.

Now you can define out of date any way you want, but for me an airliner that is less than 10 years old is not out of date, and Delta has plenty of them.

Obviously you've never flown on AA's 777s. They have a much nicer interior and PTV setup than DL's (not to mention 3 class seating). UA has a similar product. Just because the aircraft is new does not mean the interior is up to snuff.

Delta's about the last airline to not have lie-flat seating on trans-atlantic service, and I don't see the 763ERs having it any time soon (especially since they recently removed BizE seats from them... to make way for more revenue-providing coach passengers I'm sure).

 

[asarjfo]

As far as GG----he actually gives a dam, and is staying for little pay or renumeration. His wife actually wants him to move back to SEA (he owns Bill Gates first large house there), but he wants to make sure DL will be ok in the long run. His cronies are actually the ones that want to be here also, because the days of the "big bonuses" are OVER---and GG said that to them. The others were fired. Sure, some of the current ones got options--but they are only good if we do well-----nice carrot.



Bye Bye--General Lee

General you continue to amaze me. You put your faith in GG because he doesn't have to be here? Just because he is wealthy and owns a large house does not mean he can run an airline. I have noticed you have really stepped up your ANTI-RJ rhetoric as of late. Please answer the following, who signs off on all of the additional RJ's that continue to come on-line? I sure hope it is your "selfless leader" who you put all of your faith in for the BIG turn around. If it is not GG, then who is running the place? Just when do you see him "dumping" all of the RJ's since he continues to buy more day after day??????

I really don't expect you to actually answer the question, so go on and tell me how bad RJ's are for Delta......I will be in our spacious crew lounge eating stale bagels waiting for your reply.

 

[Heavy Set]

Look, to address your point about GG, no airline leader except Herb has ever demonstrated any "continued" competence in this industry - basically, all non-SWA employees are in jeopardy... Cross those fingers.

 

[FDJ2]

DL does have a some younger planes, but you conveniently left out the other 400 planes that aren't so new.

I didn't conveniently leave them out, I was just pointing out that not all DAL planes are out of date. As you know DAL has also been busy buying 229 crowd pleasing, highly profitable and exquisitely appointed CRJ100/200s. Those aircraft are owned by DAL, at least their debt is, so you ought to factor their age into the mix too.

 

[asarjfo]

General you continue to amaze me. You put your faith in GG because he doesn't have to be here? Just because he is wealthy and owns a large house does not mean he can run an airline. I have noticed you have really stepped up your ANTI-RJ rhetoric as of late. Please answer the following, who signs off on all of the additional RJ's that continue to come on-line? I sure hope it is your "selfless leader" who you put all of your faith in for the BIG turn around. If it is not GG, then who is running the place? Just when do you see him "dumping" all of the RJ's since he continues to buy more day after day??????

I really don't expect you to actually answer the question, so go on and tell me how bad RJ's are for Delta......I will be in our spacious crew lounge eating stale bagels waiting for your reply.

Amazing, no response. I am so shocked!!!!