Delta to put ALL regional flying up for rebid

[SKYW Pilot]

Life's horrible at Skywest.... we're destroying the industry... oh no... Us regional pilots are our own worst enemies. Union or non-union, we all need to support each other. NOBODY at Skywest is happy about flying 90 seaters for 50 pay. That agreement was meant to secure our United flying at the time while competing against Mesa. Not to fly 90 seaters. Just for the record, I did vote that stupid thing down. We set a precendent and now we're hosed and I'm sorry it's putting pressure on the rest of the regionals. Generally, our pilot group thought that we'd get a split rate or higher blended rate after the 18 months. But we're not the evil Skywest who's goal it is to take down the rest of the industry. I'm on the fence with the union and have been for a while, but union or non-union, we need to get all of our pilots on the same page.

Hey, and if we're going to start comparing wages.... 5 year E-120 CA....

Average of 80 block hours a month... 109 Credit per month...

Grossing $54000 so far this year... on tap to make $81000...

Add another $4000 EACH for both IOE and bonuses... Plus a full month (75 hours) of vacation/user time earned since the beginning of the year.

Plus I've been on PBS for almost a year. Been treatin' me well so far.

 

[Nindiri]

You people work too much.

I don't even like to work 60 block hours a month.

 

[Skaff]

Skywest no better than Gojet guys.... Will you (skywest guys) fly ASA's aircraft and routes = YES.....no problem No ALPA--maybe ALPA national sure put Skywest pilots on the scab list like everyone on flightinfo wants Gojet pilots on the list.....but Gojet voted in representation....at least it was something.....

Let's put things into perspective. ASA was sold by a bankrupt airline. If Skywest hadn't bought them, who would have? Maybe Mesa...who knows? Would ASA prefered to enjoy what Delta did to Comair? I wouldn't think so. Skywest bought ASA to make money, and what Skywest decideds to do with their airplanes and their pilots is Skywests decision. It is convenient to forget that SLC used to be all Skywest flying, but our routes got cut when Comair, then ASA started to fly through SLC. Did Skywest pilots bitch and moan? I don't think that we did. Now that the tables have turned and we get to do SLC flying again, guys like you call us scabs and yourselves marters for a cause. Nice.

 

[Skaff]

By the way, last month I blocked 55 hours, and had a few deadheads. I picked up one day of Jr Man pay, and was credited over 118 hours. It is posible to work the system and make out like a bandit at Skywest. I even ended up with 15 non-flying days in a 31 day month.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

You people work too much.

I don't even like to work 60 block hours a month.

Nobody likes to work more than 60 hours a month.... but come on, let's be realistic here. I've got a California mortgage to pay and a kid to send to college one day. Hey, who knows, if the union is voted in then maybe I can make 90 bucks an hour to fly the Brasilia!

 

[172driver]

Dude, I think he is tellin the truth. I'm in my 2nd year here and on pace to make about 46k-48k this year. I average 13 or 14 days off a month

I wasn't arguing about the money he's making. I made $52K in my second year at Comair without picking up extra flying, 14-16 days off. That was two years ago, so I don't think making that much now is something to brag about, nor does it put you at the top.

I was skeptical about the amount of credit hrs he's getting compared to block. Are your flights that far under blocked that you make 20 hrs extra per month or do you have some secret rig?

Disclaimer: Due to the undercutting of our group, the resulting loss of flying to lower paid pilots, and the decision of my fellow pilots to vote away my pay to keep up with the Skywest, Chautauqua, and Mesas of the world, I will make less this year than I did two years ago, so I am not bragging either.

 

[n757st]

How do you think awac (now USAir) took flying from mesa (now United)? It was a fair trade get over it. We were displaced just like they were.

Your company is part of the reason AWAC was displaced, they were flying for United for 20+ years and were owned by United at one point... for some reason I feel very little simpathy displacing your flying after your company was the reason our 20+ year flying was displaced. Oh, and I am sure that 99% of the pilots here would LOVE to switch back.

 

[Cloudroller]

UAL displaced Wiskey, their Flying went to Skywest not Mesa

 

[Kenny]

Some Skywest weenie was mouthing off about his 2nd year W2. Well at AWAC mine was $40k and that was before the payraise we got this year, with the another to come in Oct.

This game is not about hourly pay rates, it's about work rules.

 

[727PAA]

Huh

So what's going on with the Delta flying rebid? Anybody know anything? This stuff is hysterical, Skywest is lowering the bar...Mesaba is lowering the bar...Mesa is lowering the bar. Comair is having the bar lowered on it. ASA can't reach the bar. Boy I have heard more pilots talking about bars...with obviously not enough of them at a BAR. Guys, relax. The folks that are lowering the bars is management! Now we all know that we probably took the job from the first place that hired us...so stop pointing fingers! My paycheck is bigger than yours is so very funny...

 

[fieldinsight]

So what's going on with the Delta flying rebid? Anybody know anything?

Nope, I asked the same thing earlier in the thread, but most everyone here is busy playing "mine is bigger", or slamming fellow pilots. This thread was nothing but flamebait, and it worked well!

Looked online at the CVG paper just now, nothing to report. You know if CMR had been told to rebid, it would be all over CVG media....

 

[SKYW Pilot]

The folks that are lowering the bars is management! Now we all know that we probably took the job from the first place that hired us...so stop pointing fingers! My paycheck is bigger than yours is so very funny...

Thank you! No union is going to save you guys from subpar wages. If ASA strikes, then Delta will give the flying to Skywest. We'll refuse to fly the struck work. Delta will keep searching til there's somebody out there who will fly it. I'm sorry, but it's just the way of the world. Are we going to fight for better work rules and wages. Sure! We want to bring that bar back up! We'll do everything we can on our end to make that happen. If it means voting in ALPA here soon, then so be it! But I'm just not completely convinced that voting in a union is going to be the magical fix all you guys claim. If anything, I'll take a hit on pay from dues. I'm finished taking the flame bait.

 

[SkyNation]

I agree. It is not my intention to flaunt my pay, engage in pissing matches, etc. I hope for the best for all of us, but I'm realistic about things.

I'm happy where I'm at. I hope ya'll are as well.

 

[sweptback]

Those who wanted proof: http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/060822/104142.html

I imagine this will closely mirror the United/Bain scenario. Seems to be the standard Ch. 11 playbook in use.

 

[outtahere]

So, who is willing to do it for less? Not Me! This is a job, and like all jobs if you did'nt make the money needed to support your family you would find another one. Not one dime less, not less than 10%. Do you hear that ASA.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Good post Sweptback

This definately is a squeeze play on Comair. I hope Comair gets "their" flying.

Rumors are all over the place - 20 more 50 seat GECAS airplanes coming to ASA, more flying out of CVG. Who knows. The only thing for sure is that we don't have the hiring or IP's to staff those airplanes.

More rumors are that ASA Management is putting an offer to the NMB, which should get the clock ticking again. In reply the ASA MEC might be asking to be released.

Based on the only concrete facts that we know, I think Comair is getting squeezed and the information that ASA is going to CVG is a bluff. Classic whipsaw.

.... maybe SkyNation already has his Captain bid in for a CVG base....

 

[spitfire1500]

Good post Sweptback

This definately is a squeeze play on Comair. I hope Comair gets "their" flying.

Rumors are all over the place - 20 more 50 seat GECAS airplanes coming to ASA, more flying out of CVG. Who knows. The only thing for sure is that we don't have the hiring or IP's to staff those airplanes.

More rumors are that ASA Management is putting an offer to the NMB, which should get the clock ticking again. In reply the ASA MEC might be asking to be released.

Based on the only concrete facts that we know, I think Comair is getting squeezed and the information that ASA is going to CVG is a bluff. Classic whipsaw.

.... maybe SkyNation already has his Captain bid in for a CVG base....

I fly at Mesa and I back you Comair guys 110% our contract is up next year and hopefully we can do the job you guys did last contract.. Ive already been stashing my money and starting a home business in preparation.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

Boy, everyone at AWAC can tell you this process is not fun. I hope that everyone learns from our experiance. It does not matter how much we make no matter what the Managers scare you with. The largest savings come from the leasors. Stay strong and good luck.

DD

 

[BID]

I am getting kinda of tired of SkyWest pilots defending their current wages. The bottom line is SkyWest will NEVER have an industry leading contract. A union carrier on the other hand will. then SkyWest pilots will continue to say, "look what we have, almost as good as your contract and we are non-union"

Don't worry though, the union drive has just enough energy now that SGU is scared and hey will give you enough to divide the pilot group and keep a union off the property. That in turn will be good for you and the industry as a whole?

Bid

 

[SkyNation]

Fins

you really have it in for me (and skywest pilots) don't you?

as for me, I want nothing to do with CVG, LGA, FLL or wherever these planes will be. Anything east of, say, DEN, is too far east for me.

I also doubt SkyWest will be awarded any of this flying, but who knows? I wouldn't be surprised to ASA with a CVG base, however. Don't you guys already have a large presence there in the A concourse?