Delta to put ALL regional flying up for rebid

[shamrock]

shamrock,

all part of competetion. I don't necessarily disagree with you. suggesting, however, that we should vote in a union to thank all the other union airlines for getting us where we are is just silly. we're competing against each other.

I never said that you should vote in a Union as thanks to other Union carriers, or for any other reason for that matter. I don't really care anymore what you guys do. I just take exception to some people out there that think that they make what they make at SkyWest because the Company is some how superior to other regionals and poo poo the idea of Unions having the least bit to do with the quality of their jobs at SkyWest. I must say that the idea that you think ASA and SkyWest should compete against each other is troubling, though. That's just the way Jerry likes it.

if all the other regionals were non-union, JA would do the exact same thing, which is try to keep us near the top in a sustainable way that allows for future growth and opportunities.

And if all regionals WERE Union he would do the same thing. But right now most other regional are Union, you aren't, and that give you some power. All I was pointing out was that SkyWest benefits when other pilot groups keep the status quo of get improvements because if JA were to allow benefits somewhere else to surpass SkyWest's or if he were to take too much away from you there would soon be a Union at SkyWest.

I can't say I begrudge the SkyWest pilot group their pay and benefits because if I could get what I have now without paying Union dues I'd do it too. As long as JA has the threat of a Union at SkyWest hanging over him you will be able to reap the rewards. Take that threat away and I'd be very interested to see what would happen.

 

[mynameisjim]

It's all about getting paid and not working. And I don't brag because there are people senior to me who might get the idea.

 

[No.W.]

I can't call Sky Nation's bluff, because I see about the same thing. My current TOTAL compensation...meaning this includes per-diem($3600 bucks worth) is 35,755 buckaroos(I'm working on my fourth year at SkyWest and I don't do the JRM thing...so I am blocking about 90 hours a month for about 96 hours of credit). I typically get 12-13 days off a month and I mostly fly four day trips...that's my preference...and again...I have my reasons. HOWEVER, I would prefer to see legally recognized representation at SkyWest. I have my reasons, and I won't get into a pissing match about them. I AM not looking for a great increase in pay, basically due to the same reasons that Sky Nation states. I have other, and in my opinion, more important reasons to want a union at SKW.

 

[shamrock]

work and scheduling rules-all without a union! imagine!!

SkyWest getting something without another carrier getting it first. Now that would be something you'd have to imagine!

Sorry, that's the kind of comment I was talking about.

 

[SkyNation]

I can't say I begrudge the SkyWest pilot group their pay and benefits because if I could get what I have now without paying Union dues I'd do it too. .

shamrock,

I think we agree. To clarify, I don't mean we are competing with ASA. Myself and everyone I've ever talked to never wanted us to buy ASA in the first place, and I hope for the best for ya'll. I do for everyone, but I take exception to any idea that we somehow 'owe it to' someone besides ourselves to vote in a union. If I felt confident that it would be an improvement to our overall pay, QOL and company health, I'd have voted for it already. However, I see no evidence of that in the industry.

best to all

 

[No.W.]

To give more info...my current block:676:38 credit:814.94

SkyNation has it right...it's all about credit hours

 

[cargojunkie]

This is Awac and united Again....However comair is awac in this situation... sorry guys.....The good airlines are out...the bankruptcy judge will look at cost and that’s about it...how do you think g-jet and mesa took flying from awac.....

 

[Turbine Pilot]

How do you think awac (now USAir) took flying from mesa (now United)? It was a fair trade get over it. We were displaced just like they were.

 

[cargojunkie]

what!!!!

 

[GreatView]

They give you bag-tags and cool stickers that say they've been around for 75 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha!

Have to admit, that was good!

 

[scarlet]

Skywest no better than Gojet guys.... Will you (skywest guys) fly ASA's aircraft and routes = YES.....no problem No ALPA--maybe ALPA national sure put Skywest pilots on the scab list like everyone on flightinfo wants Gojet pilots on the list.....but Gojet voted in representation....at least it was something.....

 

[PCL_128]

yes, they do. however, like I said, is it sustainable?

No, you're absolutely right. It's not sustainable. As long as there are people like you willing to profit from the gains of unionized pilot groups without contributing to the cause yourself, then it won't be sustainable. You can brag about all the pay and work rules you want (although I'd argue that working 20 days a month just to make a livable wage isn't exactly something to brag about), but just remember that you would have none of it if it weren't for the unionized pilot groups spending their negotiating capital to get it first. You piggy-back on the union pilot groups and contribute nothing. Leeches.

 

[mckpickle]

No, you're absolutely right. It's not sustainable. As long as there are people like you willing to profit from the gains of unionized pilot groups without contributing to the cause yourself, then it won't be sustainable. You can brag about all the pay and work rules you want (although I'd argue that working 20 days a month just to make a livable wage isn't exactly something to brag about), but just remember that you would have none of it if it weren't for the unionized pilot groups spending their negotiating capital to get it first. You piggy-back on the union pilot groups and contribute nothing. Leeches.

AMEN!!!!!!!!

Lead, Follow, or get out of the way. Which are you doing Skywest?

 

[shamrock]

You can brag about all the pay and work rules you want (although I'd argue that working 20 days a month just to make a livable wage isn't exactly something to brag about), but just remember that you would have none of it if it weren't for the unionized pilot groups spending their negotiating capital to get it first.

That was the point I was trying to make, put in a more eloquent way. Sometimes I don't speek or rite too good.

 

[TCBKING]

KNOW THE ENEMY.

Its not the pilots of all the other regionals. (except a certain group of Scumbags. GJ)

 

[Soverytired]

They give you bag-tags and cool stickers that say they've been around for 75 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ha!

More like taking dues from your pocket for 75 years.

 

[SKYW Pilot]

Skywest no better than Gojet guys.... Will you (skywest guys) fly ASA's aircraft and routes = YES.....no problem No ALPA--maybe ALPA national sure put Skywest pilots on the scab list like everyone on flightinfo wants Gojet pilots on the list.....but Gojet voted in representation....at least it was something.....

Ok, I took the bait... Don't even think of comparing us to frickin GoJet. It's Apples and Oranges! Just because we've been non union for over 30 years?! Give me a break. If Skywest was created within the past few years as an alter ego scope busting TSA screwin' crappy airline like Gojet, then you have a point. We have it pretty damn nice here at Skywest. Are there areas we can improve on? Sure! I have friends at all kinds of regionals and majors and my quality of life is very comparable (if not better in some areas) to my friends'. Personally, I think ALPA will get voted in this time around. There are positives and negatives to being both union and non union. Also, like I said earlier, we (as a pilot group) made a really stupid mistake by voting in that "18 month TA." So we make one mistake. We'll make up for it, but comparing us to Gojet? Give me a break!

 

[bvt1151]

Ok, I took the bait... Don't even think of comparing us to frickin GoJet. It's Apples and Oranges!

It can very easily be argued that Skywest has a much greater (not to mention detrimantal) impact on the regional pilots than Go-Jets ever will.

 

[wmuflyguy]

No, you're absolutely right. It's not sustainable. As long as there are people like you willing to profit from the gains of unionized pilot groups without contributing to the cause yourself, then it won't be sustainable. You can brag about all the pay and work rules you want (although I'd argue that working 20 days a month just to make a livable wage isn't exactly something to brag about), but just remember that you would have none of it if it weren't for the unionized pilot groups spending their negotiating capital to get it first. You piggy-back on the union pilot groups and contribute nothing. Leeches.

Amen, It is only sustainable if other groups back you up

 

[btrthn5n5]

Ummm, I think he probably knows that, since he works for Comair and has better work rules than you ever thought about having.

1. How many days a month do you work to average 107.5 hours of credit?

2. How do you average 25 hrs of credit over your block? I can see 10, but 25?

3. Any other SKYW pilots want to call his bluff?

Dude, I think he is tellin the truth. I'm in my 2nd year here and on pace to make about 46k-48k this year. I average 13 or 14 days off a month. Last month I blocked 89.5 hours = credit of 105.6. But I have had 1 month of "stand-ups" this year (flew 30 hours, credited 98), so that helped me out a bunch.
We did however just go to a Preferential Bid system, so I'm curious to see how that works out for me.