CheapFlyer
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Every argument used today could be used to justify outsourcing a 717 sized aircraft in the next BK.
That's exactly what's scary, we are one BK away from this happening.
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Every argument used today could be used to justify outsourcing a 717 sized aircraft in the next BK.
Yeah- apparently the average DALPA widebody pilot thinks "Regional" = North America. And "Feed"= single aisle domestic
If all the mainline pilots believe this, it's over - management has won.
I'm still chuckling on his reference of "feed". As in 76 seaters "feeding" pax from DTW to DFW. Again, management has won.
Yeah- apparently the average DALPA widebody pilot thinks "Regional" = North America. And "Feed"= single aisle domestic-
Every argument used today could be used to justify outsourcing a 717 sized aircraft in the next BK.
Right now AA only has 70 seats-
You're cool with giving their mgmt leverage to get -900's?
Right now AA only has 70 seats-
You're cool with giving their mgmt leverage to get -900's?
Come tomorrow AMR will be permitted to have 900s. You need to learn how to pick your battles wisely.
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FYI Currently you have outsourced:
348 50 Seaters
102 65-69 Seaters
153 76 Seaters
Total: 603 Aircraft / 35862 seats
Proposed outsourcing:
125 "70 seaters" (using 67 as an average again = 8750 seats)
223 76 seaters (16948 seats)
Total: 348 Aircraft / 25698 seats
Total seats go down by about 28%. But, when was the last time you saw a 50 seater running DTW-IAH, SLC-LAX, LGA-ORD, JFK-ORD, or MSP-YVR?
I think if you looked at the average miles flown by the 900/175 you'd see that the seat mile reduction is probably much less than 28%.
Doubt it. Anyways seat miles is insignificant. That is a purely corporate finance term. Pilots concern with scope involves pilot jobs, which is determined by block hours. The block hour ratio requirement in this contract drives pilot jobs strongly towards mainline.
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Seriously, is life good in that 777?
Real pilots fly airplanes with two aisles don't they?
Seriously, is life good in that 777?
Real pilots fly airplanes with two aisles don't they?
No...Real pilots fly amphibs, taildraggers, helicopters, etc. Inflated egos fly jet airliners. With few exceptions, it takes no more skill or "piloting abilty" to fly a 767 or a A319, or a CRJ900. Thats why there are so many morons in this industry. Anybody can limp through the system.
You all act like you are so special and the company should bow at your feet begging you to work for them. You are pilots, not oracles. You are simply a tool that a company uses to produce a profit. Delta is not in business to provide you with a job. They are there to make a profit.
General, I will have to say the fact that you are reading this TA, soliciting questions about it, researching it, etc, rather than a straight no, solely based on one issue is nice to see. Maybe you are more of a rational and intelligent person then I previously thought.
As far as the 50 seat issue. While, they are being phased out, they will not even be close to this number by the date you all specified in the TA. Fuel prices are not and have not been high enough in the past few years to break contracts and panic. They will only loose a few here and there as contracts on them expire. Airlines do know its coming. United, I do believe is pulling E135s out of the desert. A reduction in the number of 50 seaters by the date this TA specified would be catastrophic to the regionals.
Go ahead and demand more from your company. With AA in BK and the other majors riding the edge of failure, you are playing with a fragile industry. If Delta is making an enormous profit, it helps to reduce their debt and make them stronger for the future. It will position them leaps and bounds ahead of the others, and promise job security so long as no more jobs leave to other carriers. If Delta has to dramatically raise ticket prices overnight, maybe the others will follow. Maybe they won't knowing business will shift their way because they are cheaper and Delta will struggle with high costs and lower demand ( a fight which can only last so long). I do believe ticket prices should go up a lot, but if Delta is the only raising the bar while United, American, US Air are holding it down, the bar will snap and guess who will go bust. The bar needs to be raised slowly and positively everytime.
Also, I understand its a fairly short term contract. By the time this one gets thrown back to the table, renegotiated and voted on, you may be working on the next TA if this one were to pass.
. Pilots concern with scope involves pilot jobs, which is determined by block hours. The block hour ratio requirement in this contract drives pilot jobs strongly towards mainline.
So the other 1720 (172*10) jobs shouldn't be at mainline?
Justify that.