Delta TA impact on Delta Connection...

[JettBoii]

4.6 50 sweaters for every 76 seater? Am i readin that right? That's huge, with no more than 125 for the entire DCI side. That's 40 200's per carrier if that will be the way they are divided up. I'm sure it won't.

 

[CRJ puppy]

maybe. You are prob right that we will lose some. not sure where you got 60-80. My rough calculations...a reduction of 150. Remember Comair has already lost a lot of planes and slated to lose maybe 40 more. Pnl being in bk will surely play a role in this. They operate 140 ish. Seems Delta would have more control over parking more of those than just snatching them out from under skyw. But who knows? I am just guessing and trying to be optimistic. All of this is certainly above my education level.

But I did hear someone say Delta announced No 50 seaters in ATL. Anyone else heard that?

Anyone have a break down 50s already reduced and from where?

Comair will only have 16 50's by end of this August. Virtually no more to take from them. They will come from another operator.

 

[General Lee]

Well, in reality they willcome from everybody - but ASA, Skywest and Pinnacle are the biggest operators. Comair has very few left, RAH has a couple erj's. Pinnacle will clearly have the cheapest 200 operation after bankruptcy - and Delta is controlling the show over there now. They also have the newest 200's and will probably renegotiate leases as part of reorganization. That leaves us and Skywest. Which side do you think they will shrink first? There ya go. While everyone will lose 50's, I think the bulk will come from ASA when the leases expire.

You could make a case Pinnacle would lose some first, because Delta can easier shed them, but don't think our time won't come.

You are probably right. If this TA does go through, then there will also be pilot hiring as 717s, MD90s, and 737-900s continue to come on the property, along with eventual retirements. From the Airlinepilotcentral payrates page for Delta, here are the scheduled retirements at age 65:


Mandatory retirements:

2012 - 15
2013 - 87
2014 - 138
2015 - 197
2016 - 264
2017 - 358
2018 - 456
2019 - 540
2020 - 638
2021 - 818
2022 - 862
2023 - 819
2024 - 807
2025 - 716
2026 - 610
2027 - 509
2028 - 477
2029 - 473
2030 - 487
2031 - 423
2032 - 321
2033 - 252
2034 - 162
2035 - 108
2036 - 92
2037 - 47
2038 - 24



If you get in front of those numbers or in the beginning of the hiring wave, it would be a quick ride. Those retirements are at age 65, with many leaving before then. Also, the TA says at least 35% of the newhires in each class with come from ALPA DCI carriers. And, when senior widebody Captains retire, a lot of people move up the ladder. At SWA, when a Captain retires, one FO moves up, and then they hire a new guy. When a legacy Captain leaves at the top, there are multiple upgrades, FO's moving up to larger planes, and then a newhire.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Godfather]

I can't believe I'm saying this but the General could be my very good friend now...
sarcasm of course...

If the TA goes thru, then Dear General, could you walk my resume in? (wink..wink).

 

[titans10]

Whoever agrees to swap 200's for 76 seaters will get them. They can always redo the lease agreemsnts. PNCL has the newer ones. That is good for them. How many 200 does expressjet have? I can see a swap for them and skywest. With financing coming from skywest.

Just a rumor.

 

[cbrown1]

Whoever agrees to swap 200's for 76 seaters will get them. They can always redo the lease agreemsnts. PNCL has the newer ones. That is good for them. How many 200 does expressjet have? I can see a swap for them and skywest. With financing coming from skywest.

Just a rumor.

From what I remember skywest has 150 total crj 200's. Those are split between united and delta with united having the bulk. I remember reading somewhere that 60 of the crjs were part of the delta side.

Expressjet has 110 crjs all on the delta side

Comair will have 16

Pinnacle has 125

so...

60+110+16+125=311

Delta said they want to only have 125 when everything is all said and done. So that means they will need to shed about 186 50 seat jets between 4 airlines.

If you took 50% from all 3 airlines and parking the rest of comairs 200s

What 50% from each airline looks like;
30 from skywest
55 from asa
all 16 from comair
63 from Pinnacle

that would equal 164 planes still leaving 22 planes that would need to get parked.

I Honestly don't know how they plan on doing it. I tend to think Delta pushing pinnacle into chapter 11 was part of this big plan they have.

 

[777forever]

From what I remember skywest has 150 total crj 200's. Those are split between united and delta with united having the bulk. I remember reading somewhere that 60 of the crjs were part of the delta side.

Expressjet has 110 crjs all on the delta side

Comair will have 16

Pinnacle has 125

so...

60+110+16+125=311

Delta said they want to only have 125 when everything is all said and done. So that means they will need to shed about 186 50 seat jets between 4 airlines.

If you took 50% from all 3 airlines and parking the rest of comairs 200s

What 50% from each airline looks like;
30 from skywest
55 from asa
all 16 from comair
63 from Pinnacle

that would equal 164 planes still leaving 22 planes that would need to get parked.

I Honestly don't know how they plan on doing it. I tend to think Delta pushing pinnacle into chapter 11 was part of this big plan they have.

311 +24 145s from Chautauqua, so 325 total 50 seaters. 200 have to go. Let the Hunger Games begin!

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[SpaceShipEarth]

May the odds be ever in your favor!

 

[i fly boxes]

Add 19 more to the pinnacle side via mesaba

 

[twott driver]

American Eagle flying is the big unknown in the whole scenario.