Delta TA = ALPAs failure of representation for regionals

[PCL_128]

So with the yes/no percentages, you pooled EVERY pilot and feel you got the pulse on their overall reasons for voting?

Obviously not. I'm just saying that the TA had plenty of merit, and voting in favor of it was the smart move, not just a selfish move.

 

[ultrarunner]

Since when does the DAL MEC have a DFR to anyone other than a DAL pilot?????

 

[79%N1]

I find it interesting that the management everywhere is telling employees the same thing: you're too senior, therefore not competitive. If Pinnacle that actually has some 1st and 2nd year employees is not competitive, then who, pray tell, is?

GoJets. That's who we're all competing against now. The new kid on the block was very strategically brought in by Delta for this very reason. " Look everyone.....GoJets is cheaper." And it's true, they are. If that's the direction Delta wants to go, let them! They have lower rates, less longevity, less benefits, less soft time, etc, etc, etc. that is the gold standard that Upper Delta management uses to pound lower rates from everyone. The only problem is, those companies must slash costs from somewhere to be able to make some sort of small profit.

 

[Nevets]

There is no conflict of interest.

 

[ex j-41]

Delta pilot could make an addition that all new 70-90 seat aircraft will go to a wholly owned carrier. At least keep the flying somewhat in house.

 

[Varmint]

Delta pilot could make an addition that all new 70-90 seat aircraft will go to a wholly owned carrier. At least keep the flying somewhat in house.

Why would any Delta pilot want to waste any kind of negotiating capitol on this especially after the Comair guys refused to endorse hiring of the Delta furloughs AT THE BOTTOM of the Comair seniority list a few years back. They finally agreed only after the new airplane carrot was dangled in front of their face back in the JC Lawson days. What goes around comes around.

 

[IFLYASA]

Why should delta pilots worry about job loses at regionals. I do not believe the regionals worry to worried about us 5 plus year furlough guys. Were you when you went to work at 9 e.

We took as many as we could at ASA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

There is no conflict of interest.

Well that settles it then....The mighty Nevets has declared that there is no conflict of interest....Meanwhile the conflict will continue while you declare that it doesn't exist...

 

[Plainsman]

I would call it a conflict of interest if my interest's and alpa's were not same. If I am without a job after this, I would call that a conflict of my interest.

 

[PCL_128]

Each MEC negotiates their own contracts. There isn't a conflict of interest.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Each MEC negotiates their own contracts. There isn't a conflict of interest.

True, but each MEC is represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, and ALPA signs each agreement thus becoming a legal party to said agreement...hence the conflict of interest.

This is deja vu all over again....

 

[PCL_128]

There would only be a conflict if the ALPA President tried to intrude on individual MEC negotiations and tell them how they are going to negotiate their agreements. As you know, that doesn't happen. He just signs what is put in front of him, unless it violates an ALPA policy in the Administrative Manual or Constitutional & Bylaws.

The reality is that each MEC negotiates their own CBAs without any interference or direction from ALPA International. As long as that is true, any claims of a conflict of interest are patently false.

 

[Nevets]

Each MEC negotiates their own contracts. There isn't a conflict of interest.

EXACTLY! Each pilot group is their own sovereign union when negotiating their contract. Mainline MEC decide what aircraft is not good enough for them to fly. Then mainline management go to regional management and decide which one will be the lucky one to get to fly those aircraft. Then the regional management negotiate with regional MECs on the terms for flying that particular scrap. At no time does the mainline MEC tell the regional MEC what to negotiate and at no time does the regional MEC tell the mainline MEC what to negotiate for.

ALPA is just an umbrella just as CAPA is to SWAPA, APA, IPA, USAPA, IBT. No one says there is a conflict of interest there. So where is the conflict of interest in the independent unions of ALPA?

 

[pilotman700]

This is deja vu all over again....

The only deja vu here is a gaggle of regional lifers trying to find a scapegoat for their woes.

Bring back the RJDC! uke:

 

[BOX OFFICE]

There would only be a conflict if the ALPA President tried to intrude on individual MEC negotiations and tell them how they are going to negotiate their agreements. As you know, that doesn't happen. He just signs what is put in front of him, unless it violates an ALPA policy in the Administrative Manual or Constitutional & Bylaws.

The reality is that each MEC negotiates their own CBAs without any interference or direction from ALPA International. As long as that is true, any claims of a conflict of interest are patently false.

Kind of like CC Air?

 

[Cpt Oveur]

I'm sorry, but isn't it all Delta's flying?

 

[PCL_128]

Kind of like CC Air?

The CCAir MEC violated ALPA policy by engaging in concessionary bargaining without the company demonstrating a need for the concessions. The ALPA president cannot sign off on a CBA that is in violation of the ALPA Bylaws or Administrative Manual.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

The CCAir MEC violated ALPA policy by engaging in concessionary bargaining without the company demonstrating a need for the concessions. The ALPA president cannot sign off on a CBA that is in violation of the ALPA Bylaws or Administrative Manual.

Oh, I see. So it's illegal for ALPA National to interfere except for when they deem it necessary to interfere. Got it!

 

[makersmarc]

Oh, I see. So it's illegal for ALPA National to interfere except for when they deem it necessary to interfere. Got it!

+1

I have a hunch that this will be sorted out in court.

 

[sinkrate]

The conflict of interest is imaginary, Joe. It doesn't exist. What does exist is mainline pilot arrogance.

Delta makes more money from its regional contracts than any other carrier. A significant part of that profit goes straight into the pockets of Delta pilots (pay rates). ASA, CMR and RAH are all in section 6 negotiations. PCL is in concessionary BK negotiations. Sooo....Delta pilots set up the mother of all whipsaws - in order to put more money in their own pockets. How can you say there is not a conflict of interest?

Delta will use GoJets as a 'stalking horse' and CMR as an example of what will happen if you don't play the game. Delta could still give all the new AC to a new or resurrected certificate, a la Compass. The total number of 'regional' pilots is going to decrease and they will make less than they could have. So that Delta pilots can make more.

Delta pilots in their greed fell for the same bait they have repeatedly taken before. They had an opportunity to turn the tide on this 'regional' nonsense. Rather than negotiate all 'widget' tail flying into their own agreement they beggared their brothers to put more money in their pockets.

If ALPA doesn't try and save the day and approach this as an opportunity for 'pattern bargaining' even I will through out my ALPA hat.

The former CAL and NWA groups are the only 'main line' pilots that have ever made a serious attempt at stopping this madness.