Delta TA = ALPAs failure of representation for regionals

[Jetmann]

The truth of where the planes will go is where the crj 200's are now! They need to get rid of contracts and bombardier will not let them return these aircraft unless they order new 76 seat aircraft. Therefore starting a new company for the 76 seaters will not happen because the -200's cannot just be returned. If that was an option delta management would not have needed the new PWA allowing for this to happen. Remember management approached the pilot group not the other way around.

 

[bluechunks]

Before any flow down/up you must protect the 9e legacy pilots.

9E legacy pilots?

If the folks at 9E don't want to participate why not just let 9E go away and set up the flow up/down at the new replacement carrier? There is always a new one in the wings since DAL loves to play one off the other to keep costs (like legacy pilots) in check. With the coming bloodbath of parked 50 seaters this would be the opportune time.

It would be a different story if the 9E aircraft were not painted in DAL colors and 9E were an actual independent airline that actually flew its own routes and sold its own tickets. Just saying.

 

[i fly boxes]

9E legacy pilots, that makes me laugh. If someone wants to protect the mississippi and northern you betcha! flying clubs, give them early retirement and a bottle of viagra. The time has come to protect our future, not our past.
Its not going to happen anyways but If you are a senior pilot and we were offered a flow through, deal with it enjoy flying a bigger plane around for a little bit and then retire.

 

[russtgol]

The truth of where the planes will go is where the crj 200's are now! They need to get rid of contracts and bombardier will not let them return these aircraft unless they order new 76 seat aircraft. Therefore starting a new company for the 76 seaters will not happen because the -200's cannot just be returned. If that was an option delta management would not have needed the new PWA allowing for this to happen. Remember management approached the pilot group not the other way around.

How do you know that?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

The original thrust of this thread is specious at best. Even if a new PWA were not ratified at Delta, (i.e. no TA) it is still very likely that a large number of regional jets were on the chopping block and even lacking a new agreement it would have in no way have impeded DAL's ability to draw down the systemwide RJ fleet.

Fleet planning lies within in management's rights to direct their operation, unless the agreement states otherwise.

I contend this was bound to happen either way, the new PWA merely formalizes the process.

 

[1.3XVso]

The original thrust of this thread is specious at best. Even if a new PWA were not ratified at Delta, (i.e. no TA) it is still very likely that a large number of regional jets were on the chopping block and even lacking a new agreement it would have in no way have impeded DAL's ability to draw down the systemwide RJ fleet.

Fleet planning lies within in management's rights to direct their operation, unless the agreement states otherwise.

I contend this was bound to happen either way, the new PWA merely formalizes the process.

Someone post that on our message board and im still trying to freaking figure out what the hell is a 9e legacy pilot.

 

[xjhawk]

those that have been there for 20+ years and "have too much to give up to go anywhere else". Straight from Tom W I heard him say that you can't expect those most senior pilots to go back to making what they were making when they were 30. To me that is just your typical....let the junior pilots pay for the cuts. Even though the most savings for the company and to make the company competitive cuts from the top makes the most sense. Not that I agree with any cuts. But then I either leave Pinnacle or I lose my captain spot and then my job after that.