Delta plans to open Saab 340 base at Atlanta hub

[WMUSIGPI]

The Saabs are not approved for RNAV approaches at Mesaba, only the jets.

 

[Goose Egg]

The Saabs are not approved for RNAV approaches at Mesaba, only the jets.

Well, I guess they are going to have one heck of a time with KSUN.

-Goose

 

[WSurf]

Well, I guess they are going to have one heck of a time with KSUN.

-Goose

NDB baby! Oldschool!

 

[Monster Buck]

I will bet you see the Mesaba saabs fly well into the next decade. (2015-2016) In fact like many other times said in the past of the DC-9 at NWA, they will probably go and pick up the pilots of newer planes when they drop of the newer planes at the desert.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

They should certainly be able to outlive the fine craftsmanship that is the CRJ.... You'll be lucky to be able to get the CRJ's TO the desert in a few years.

 

[Goose Egg]

NDB baby! Oldschool!

After a quick perusal of my KSUN Jepps, the NDB-DME approach has an MDA of 8000' (field elev is 5318), a vis min of 5 miles, and a missed approach point 5.3 NM from the threshold of Rwy 31. The RNAV W has an MDA of 7080, missed approach point at the threshold of 31, and vis mins of 1.5 for cat B.

The NDB is not better. Having the skill to actually fly these approaches is not the issue--getting weather good enough to get in with a plane load of cranky SUN pax is.

But I love flying SLC-SUN. It's one of my favorite legs, and it will be a sad day when I have to stop. I'm pretty sure there are some FAs who do not share my enthusiam.

-Goose

 

[WSurf]

After a quick perusal of my KSUN Jepps, the NDB-DME approach has an MDA of 8000' (field elev is 5318), a vis min of 5 miles, and a missed approach point 5.3 NM from the threshold of Rwy 31. The RNAV W has an MDA of 7080, missed approach point at the threshold of 31, and vis mins of 1.5 for cat B.

The NDB is not better. Having the skill to actually fly these approaches is not the issue--getting weather good enough to get in with a plane load of cranky SUN pax is.

But I love flying SLC-SUN. It's one of my favorite legs, and it will be a sad day when I have to stop. I'm pretty sure there are some FAs who do not share my enthusiam.

-Goose

Well of Course the NDB approach wouldn't be better. Is there anything worse then an NDB approach?

Having not flown there I did pull up the plates and looked a the airport. Kinda Cool! I think I would miss going there too!!!

 

[Goose Egg]

Having not flown there I did pull up the plates and looked a the airport. Kinda Cool! I think I would miss going there too!!!

Yeah, it's definitely cool. Too bad the overnights there are never that long.

-Goose

 

[SpauldingSmails]

On the topic of Mesaba SAABs... I was seated across the aisle from an XJ 340 CA on my commute.

He said that the 340s are becoming increasingly unreliable, spare parts are difficult to obtain, and he has heard rumour of a replacement. Also said there's an average of 4-6 340's down for maintenence on most days. Anyone else lend some weight (or discredit) to this?

I think the 340 serves its role perfectly, but you gotta admit they're getting long in the tooth. Has XJ refurbed any other 340's aside from 407XJ, inside or out?

 

[Raskal]

On the topic of Mesaba SAABs... I was seated across the aisle from an XJ 340 CA on my commute.

He said that the 340s are becoming increasingly unreliable, spare parts are difficult to obtain, and he has heard rumour of a replacement. Also said there's an average of 4-6 340's down for maintenence on most days. Anyone else lend some weight (or discredit) to this?

I think the 340 serves its role perfectly, but you gotta admit they're getting long in the tooth. Has XJ refurbed any other 340's aside from 407XJ, inside or out?

Where do people get this stuff? The 340's at XJ average to be about 11 years old. Parts are plenty, there is no issue of support from saab or any of the other oem's. 11 years is very young for an airliner. With that said, however, the paint on them is flat out embarrasing as is the interior condition. Taking care of the aircraft is definitely not our company's strong suit. The Saab's at Mesaba are as ghetto as they get.

It, like every aircraft on the planet, has quirks or systems that are less reliable than others. Also, factor in what the mx department is told to fix and to defer and with what quality of parts (when given a choice the cheaper the better-notice how well the new landing lights are working out?).

Take what you hear from pilots, expecially those whose experience consists of 1 post-college airline and 1 or 2 airplanes with a grain of salt.

 

[WSurf]

You wanna talk about old! Piedmont Airlines flys planes from 1985!!!

And they are probably gonna fly atleast another 5-10 years.

 

[willbob]

Where do people get this stuff? The 340's at XJ average to be about 11 years old. Parts are plenty, there is no issue of support from saab or any of the other oem's. 11 years is very young for an airliner. With that said, however, the paint on them is flat out embarrasing as is the interior condition. Taking care of the aircraft is definitely not our company's strong suit. The Saab's at Mesaba are as ghetto as they get.

It, like every aircraft on the planet, has quirks or systems that are less reliable than others. Also, factor in what the mx department is told to fix and to defer and with what quality of parts (when given a choice the cheaper the better-notice how well the new landing lights are working out?).

Take what you hear from pilots, expecially those whose experience consists of 1 post-college airline and 1 or 2 airplanes with a grain of salt.

I don't know about that, parts are getting harder to find, Saab and GE just barely support the airplane and engines. With the new icing proceedures (boots on continous in icing conditions-+5C & visable moisture) there are going to be ALOT of broke airplanes this winter. my guess is Q300s

 

[Raskal]

I don't know about that, parts are getting harder to find, Saab and GE just barely support the airplane and engines. With the new icing proceedures (boots on continous in icing conditions-+5C & visable moisture) there are going to be ALOT of broke airplanes this winter. my guess is Q300s

Again, besides the highly regarded crew room rumors, what is the source of this? Saab (a very healthy company)and the oem's have plenty of parts-when is the last time a plane was down while waiting more than a day for a part? Can you provide an example?

As for GE...someone is seriously yanking your chain. The CT7 engine is used in multiple rotorcraft, aircraft and many of these are military applications. It is put on newer aircraft (the Sikorsky S92 for example). GE has a ton of support for the powerplant and will for a long time to come. Again, where the hell are you getting this crap?

 

[flap operator]

I predict Q200/300/400 for CRJ200 and Saab/Brasilia/ATR replacement at the new Delta.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

It is PLANNED to have 5 of the 49 Saabs we have out of service for maintenance EVERY day. Just as we plan to have 1 CRJ200 and 2 CRJ900 out EVERY day. planes break, planes requre maintenance checks, planes can't fly 24/7. It is, and has been, built into the planning from the start.