Delta Pilots don't check for frost on wings

[batsky2000]

I just want to say thanks to the Delta Pilots on yesterday's Flight DL1954 DAB to ATL for making myself as well as 3/4 of the rest of the passengers miss their connections.

The flight was set to depart at 0600, but taxied out at 0630. We taxied to the runway, stopped short of taxing onto it when a passenger told a FA that they saw frost on the wing, the Captain came out putting on his hat and jacket with a flashlight to look outside through the window, after a couple more looks we taxied back and he made the decision to wait till the sun came out to heat the wings and melt the frost.

My question is don't you guys do walk arounds anymore? That should have been found before you taxi out of the ramp. Plus when we got back to the ramp, these idiots never even walked out to inspect for themselves, they just waited till the sun came out.

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great when by 0630 the temp was well abouve freezing.

Even if the flight left by 0700, everyone would have made their connections, heck the Delta flight that was due to fly after us, took off first

I was going to SMF, since I missed that I had to fly to SFO and drive, thanks.

What a bunch of idiots, morons, etc................

 

[GuppyWN]

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great when by 0630 the temp was well abouve freezing.

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great getting your ticket yanked if the procedure is not in the FAA approved flight manual.

That's why you wait until the sun comes up if you don't have deice fluid - which is not a hot commodity in Florida.

Gup

 

[Saluki Dawg]

I can't speak for DL, but hot water is no longer an approved method to remove frost from the wings anymore, at least at WN. I'm sure that DAB doesn't have a way to deice Airplanes either. We've had this problem as well out in CA with cold soaked fuel frost and not having any way to remove it other than to wait for it to melt. It sounds like the crew did the only thing they could which was wait for the frost to melt. Sorry you missed your connecting flight.

 

[Mr Wu]

Unlike your Geeeeeeeeeee, you can't see the top of the wing from the ground.

 

[PA31Driver]

Unlike your Geeeeeeeeeee, you can't see the top of the wing from the ground.

:laugh: Awesome!

 

[say again]

Life sucks, take Greyhound!

 

[volav8r1]

Unlike your Geeeeeeeeeee, you can't see the top of the wing from the ground.

You beat me to it! The only Idiot, Moron, etc... is the original poster. More and more pax these days are becoming beligerent "Backseat" drivers. I would be willing to bet that this specific situation didn't go down exactly like you described it. More than likely the original poster missed his (or her) connection and is a little pi$$ed.

Solution: Stop booking 30 min connections at some of the largest & busiest airports in the world!!! Problem solved! Some of you people sound like my wife...

"why would we take this flight? We are going to have to sit for an hour and 15 mins in detroit when we could take flight "XYZ" and we only have to stay in Detroit for 25 mins"

I have ZERO sympathy for you!!!! Coming on here and blasting a professional flight crew for what sounds to me to be a very suspect senario only shows your ignorance! Do us all a favor and please fly Southwest Airlines next time! They do not get frost!

 

[GuppyWN]

Do us all a favor and please fly Southwest Airlines next time! They do not get frost!

Nor do we do 1:15 turns or connections.

Get in, get off, get out.

Spend your time with your family or business, not at the dang airport.

Next,
Gup

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FWIW, stations like DAB,VPS etc do not have de ice equipment. Waiting for the sun to melt the frost is sometimes all you have.

Also, many times when you do a walk around prior to sunrise there is no frost and low and behold at the time of push as the sun is cresting the horizon you will see a layer form on the top of the wing.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great getting your ticket yanked if the procedure is not in the FAA approved flight manual.

That's why you wait until the sun comes up if you don't have deice fluid - which is not a hot commodity in Florida.

Gup

Wow, note the time and date, I actually agree with Gup!
The origional poster is a doosh bag!
Oh yeah, Gup, all those things I said about you before.......I wish I could start all over and repeat them all!:laugh::laugh:

 

[bluechunks]

What a bunch of idiots, morons, etc................

Glass house, meet stone.

 

[EMBpilot]

batsky, what to be a Delta pilot, don't you? Aren't we all...

 

[IBNAV8R]

Never really thought about it but a station that doesn't have a de-ice truck must certainly have access to the standard hot water sprayer. Oh wait, F/As on frosty wings with tea-pots: Yup, that's the ticket.

I don't recall the hot water technique when I was in.

 

[MILPILOT17]

I just want to say thanks to the Delta Pilots on yesterday's Flight DL1954 DAB to ATL for making myself as well as 3/4 of the rest of the passengers miss their connections.

The flight was set to depart at 0600, but taxied out at 0630. We taxied to the runway, stopped short of taxing onto it when a passenger told a FA that they saw frost on the wing, the Captain came out putting on his hat and jacket with a flashlight to look outside through the window, after a couple more looks we taxied back and he made the decision to wait till the sun came out to heat the wings and melt the frost.

My question is don't you guys do walk arounds anymore? That should have been found before you taxi out of the ramp. Plus when we got back to the ramp, these idiots never even walked out to inspect for themselves, they just waited till the sun came out.

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great when by 0630 the temp was well abouve freezing.

Even if the flight left by 0700, everyone would have made their connections, heck the Delta flight that was due to fly after us, took off first

I was going to SMF, since I missed that I had to fly to SFO and drive, thanks.

What a bunch of idiots, morons, etc................

Bet you didn't want to open that can of wip a$$. Ouch!

 

[Voice Of Reason]

I just want to say thanks to the Delta Pilots on yesterday's Flight DL1954 DAB to ATL for making myself as well as 3/4 of the rest of the passengers miss their connections.

The flight was set to depart at 0600, but taxied out at 0630. We taxied to the runway, stopped short of taxing onto it when a passenger told a FA that they saw frost on the wing, the Captain came out putting on his hat and jacket with a flashlight to look outside through the window, after a couple more looks we taxied back and he made the decision to wait till the sun came out to heat the wings and melt the frost.

My question is don't you guys do walk arounds anymore? That should have been found before you taxi out of the ramp. Plus when we got back to the ramp, these idiots never even walked out to inspect for themselves, they just waited till the sun came out.

Just for future reference, HOT WATER works great when by 0630 the temp was well abouve freezing.

Even if the flight left by 0700, everyone would have made their connections, heck the Delta flight that was due to fly after us, took off first

I was going to SMF, since I missed that I had to fly to SFO and drive, thanks.

What a bunch of idiots, morons, etc................

Hello to the KAL guys, I have an interview for a B737 PIC position in April through CCL and have a few questions about how the contract works to those who are in the know.

I am currently flying a BBJ, G-IV, and a Challenger for a private company that is shutting down their flight department like most of them here in the US. I have 1500 hours as a PIC on the BBJ. I was laid off from Delta way back in 2001 and have not been interested in working for an airline again, but the KAL contarct is rather appealing to me. I would get more time off than I get now, and I enjoy flying in Asia, and have experience in that part of the world.

1) What is the schedule like while you are on duty? Is it 6 on 1 off or something else? How are the schedules built? Do you get a reserve line for a bit, or do you get a real line right off the bat?

2) I plan to take the 11 days off option, how many days do they give you to commute? I will be using ATL as my base, and heard that you get 3 days, 2 to travel to work, a 1 to get home, but just want to get the real number from someone who knows.

3) I understand that they put you up at the Hyatt while at base, what types of ammenities do they offer if any? Do you guys get free breakfast, free internet? The Internet would be the best freebe

4) Does the company issue a cell phone for company use, or do you need to get one yourself? How do they normally contact you?

5) Who pays for the business class tickets? Does the cotractor (CCL) in my case pay for the ticket, or does KAL put you on a positive space business class ticket to/from your base? I ask this because I am interested if you guys collect FF miles, I am platinum medalion on Delta with about 900,000 miles in my account and am just wondering since KAL is a skyteam member. This would be a huge bonus to this contract, if not are there ways to get the miles?

Thanks for the answers in advance

FYI Delta guys (or ALPA):
Publicly posted info makes identity of slanderers very simple these days.