Delta AE

[another cfii]

For me, if i can't hold anything but the kitchen sink in either LAX/SLC, i'll do ultra short call if they let me (insert sound of cat being dragged with claws screeching the carpet). If i get MDed to MSP, I'll go for the -9 as top choice, as it's my best chance of holding a line, and then I'll just go for the dollar sign. I have no qualms of going back to MSP in frigid Mar/Apr for training. I'll just be sure to practice my instrument scanning technique flying my homemade flight sim before I show up to class.

Another question. MD bids are run from the bottom to up, correct? If i put in a percentage qualifier of top 75%, and I was awarded the new category within the top 75%. And then the next senior MDed pilot also put in identical % qualifier and was awarded. So essentially I will be bumped toward the bottom if there're enough guy in front of me that wants the same category, is that correct??

Thanks again.

 

[Truckdriver]

Another question. MD bids are run from the bottom to up, correct? If i put in a percentage qualifier of top 75%, and I was awarded the new category within the top 75%. And then the next senior MDed pilot also put in identical % qualifier and was awarded. So essentially I will be bumped toward the bottom if there're enough guy in front of me that wants the same category, is that correct??

Thanks again.

I think MD's are run in seniority order, but converted and sent to training in inverse order. So, the above scenario should not be an issue. However, since this AE/VD/MD system is virtually impossible to understand I could be completely wrong. I'm actually starting to think that a commute to MSP if I can hold a line on the 320 might be better than reserve in SLC. If one does that, you could get a line in MSP, then WS and GS out of base in SLC and life might be better than reserve. Just my latest thought that will change by tomorrow.

 

[Monster Buck]

That is why I can't complain too much. Once Dec 14 2012 comes and the DAL-N retirements kick in, we are much better off with the combined list than we would have been without it. However, this may all be a moot point because the world will end seven days later when the planets align, solar flares cook the earth, and the Yellowstone super volcano erupts on us.

Retirements in 2012? only 1000 mand. ret. between now and 2016. Could be worse I guess but not very many until 8-10 years from now.

 

[JOPILOT]

I think VD are run first and trained first, followed by MD awarded in inverse order and trained in seniority order and then superceded by AE in seniority order in the end???
I am confused too...I have read the newsletter and the contract a few times, all in all it is most important to be confident on the % you are OK with in the categories you bid...Sorry for all the outloud mental masterbation. JP

 

[Truckdriver]

Retirements in 2012? only 1000 mand. ret. between now and 2016. Could be worse I guess but not very many until 8-10 years from now.

Technically it's 2013 because the age 65 retirements hit in Dec 2012. 100-200 per year starting in 2013 is better than the 7-8 per year we have had the last few years. Even just 100 widebody guys leaving per year makes life for the junior guy noticably better. If we had 100 per year leaving the last two years we would be running classes with newhires right now. In 8-10 years I think we will hit crisis mode because we see some years with close to 900 retirments.

 

[Truckdriver]

I am confused too...

Don't worry, it happens alot go guys who ride Cannondales!

 

[JOPILOT]

Don't worry, it happens alot go guys who ride Cannondales!

Especially the ones with a lefty shock in the front like mine...I about toppled over in my chair! I do miss my Fuel...maybe next time.

 

[Superpilot92]

Retirements in 2012? only 1000 mand. ret. between now and 2016. Could be worse I guess but not very many until 8-10 years from now.

roughly 4000+ pilots are expected to retire in the next 10ish years fwiw

 

[Sinca3]

roughly 4000+ pilots are expected to retire in the next 10ish years fwiw

Wow, and I still won't be within 50%

 

[KCPilot]

When I got checked out on the -9 two yrs ago, I was in and out of the school house in a months time.

Wow, I see I was WRONG again here...I guess this is why I stopped posting! I guess It's bad when the FAA is even lying to ya!

 

[Superpilot92]

Wow, and I still won't be within 50%

Those numbers assume that every pilot flies to 63 or 65. Most won't take it till the last possible day. Alps and company both think the ache guy will go to 62.5. So who knows but the chances are that that 4000+ number will happen faster than 10 years and the numbers will easily exceed this. We'll see

 

[hockeypilot44]

Those numbers assume that every pilot flies to 63 or 65. Most won't take it till the last possible day. Alps and company both think the ache guy will go to 62.5. So who knows but the chances are that that 4000+ number will happen faster than 10 years and the numbers will easily exceed this. We'll see

Those numbers also assume we keep the same amount of pilots. I think we'll be lucky to still have 10,000 pilots on property in 10 years.

 

[FBN0223]

Those numbers also assume we keep the same amount of pilots. I think we'll be lucky to still have 10,000 pilots on property in 10 years.

Bingo!!!!! When most of us started at NWA, we had no RJs(except for a small number of Avrojets). Flying on one of our regionals meant getting onboard a SAAB 340 to complete the last leg of your cross-country journey from MSP to Rhinelander. Now you can complete your cross-country journey via Delta without every flying on a DL jet.

Delta AE? This upcoming AE would have included EMB175 Capt. and FO positions at pay rates that would have made these positions attractive to those near the bottom. Instead ALPA decided to buy into, and sell fear, "Steenland Style." Our flying is now done by pilots who work for pennies on the dollar with the promise of flowing someday up to "Big D."

For the 63% of you who bought the program and voted for the McClain/Steenland/Dollaway contract, I hope you had a period of arduous self-examination. Hopefully that included a few mornings of getting up, looking in the mirror, and saying, "I suck."

This whole chain of events will very likely replay itself. Here you go boys....more money, improved job security, and no furlough clauses, we just need some scope relief.

I hope that the 63% have seen the light.

 

[clippyrip]

Bingo!!!!! When most of us started at NWA, we had no RJs(except for a small number of Avrojets). Flying on one of our regionals meant getting onboard a SAAB 340 to complete the last leg of your cross-country journey from MSP to Rhinelander. Now you can complete your cross-country journey via Delta without every flying on a DL jet.

Delta AE? This upcoming AE would have included EMB175 Capt. and FO positions at pay rates that would have made these positions attractive to those near the bottom. Instead ALPA decided to buy into, and sell fear, "Steenland Style." Our flying is now done by pilots who work for pennies on the dollar with the promise of flowing someday up to "Big D."

For the 63% of you who bought the program and voted for the McClain/Steenland/Dollaway contract, I hope you had a period of arduous self-examination. Hopefully that included a few mornings of getting up, looking in the mirror, and saying, "I suck."

This whole chain of events will very likely replay itself. Here you go boys....more money, improved job security, and no furlough clauses, we just need some scope relief.

I hope that the 63% have seen the light.

That is an interesting statement coming from a relatively senior guy at NWA. While I agree that we need to vote down the upcoming scope relief that Richard is sure to ask for, I do not have faith in the pilot group as a whole. He will flash the cash and our group will sell out the 100 seater to Compass. Count on it.

My new worry is the upcoming JAL deal. If that goes through, you can kiss the Inter-Asia flying good bye. It will all be done by JAL. Probably will lose some of the US to Asia flying to them as well. It's a smart management move. Buy a majority of JAL and then codeshare their own business to themselves at a lower rate. Watch them trash JALs pensions too.

Not trying to be a cynic, just looking at what I would do if I was management.

 

[Truckdriver]

My new worry is the upcoming JAL deal. If that goes through, you can kiss the Inter-Asia flying good bye. It will all be done by JAL. Probably will lose some of the US to Asia flying to them as well.

Yep. I'm sure glad we picked up that "crown jewel" in the merger.