Delta AE

[Monster Buck]

Marketing wants a 15%+ bump in block hrs. We may get through the glut of training prior to hiring. Either way we will need at least 300-400 if they do a 7% uptick. More means more guys sitting reserve in DTW on the 88 and that will make a lof of ppl happy.

The PWA is the PWA and they will pay accordingly. For the junior folks that means that they may just keep ya where you are and let newbies fill the void.

Also the hint at other base realignments is in refernce to the NRT/JAL deal and 330 sim time. It is what it is, so sit back and enjoy the ride. If we actually get this right we should have a few good years ahead of us.

Was in the school house and they are bringing all of the PCP's back to start ramping up for the training that is coming. I will let the other "rumors" filter out.

88 IN DTW? Where did you get this from? I thought SLT to MSP. Never heard anything about them going to DTW.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Sorry,DC-9

BTW next Friday is a good date for the AE. Letter explaining it this Friday.

 

[knightflyer]

Any memos on the wire yet? :nuts:


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[Bert Harbenson]

Some info out on SD's Dec. 4th code-a-phone. Essentially what we have been hearing.

-SLC/MSP 90/320 swap
-NYC 777 closing/DTW 777 opening
-765 to NYC
-reduction of WB slots and increase in NB slots

Bid will be out mid-Dec. and close after SOC

 

[GogglesPisano]

And displacements off the DC9 as more -30's and -40's are parked.
The SLC M88 - MSP320 swap is not a complete swap, as the MSP320 category will stay open -- with very few displacements.

An overall 5.7% increase in pilot blockhours from summer 2010 over summer 2009. Even if the bulk of it is domestic -- it beats a decrease!

 

[Superpilot92]

the plan all along was to replace the dc9 30/40's with md90's throughout the next couple years. No surprise there and the increase in narrowbody flying will absorb the decrease in DC9s.

Also it has been said that they will increase the utilization of the remaining 34 dc9-50s which will ofset some of the 30/40 flying. This is going to be a busy year for sure.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Note the 5.7% increase as opposed to previous desire of marketing to have at least 7%.

I'm willing to bet that's the threshold we can fly without hiring.....for now.

All in all, great news... just wondering when I'm going training as I'm definitely gone from my category with this bid!

 

[Sedona16]

And displacements off the DC9 as more -30's and -40's are parked.
The SLC M88 - MSP320 swap is not a complete swap, as the MSP320 category will stay open -- with very few displacements.

An overall 5.7% increase in pilot blockhours from summer 2010 over summer 2009. Even if the bulk of it is domestic -- it beats a decrease!

So if I am reading this correctly they are saying remove the 88/90 catagory from SLC and then not really bring in much replacement basing to fill the void.....utilize the A320's out of MSP more effectively, reducing displacements over there. But throw the MD guys in SLC under the bus (not even a funny pun).

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

So if I am reading this correctly they are saying remove the 88/90 catagory from SLC and then not really bring in much replacement basing to fill the void.....utilize the A320's out of MSP more effectively, reducing displacements over there. But throw the MD guys in SLC under the bus (not even a funny pun).

An equal amount of crews that were "bumped" off the MD88/90 out of SLC will be added on Fifi in SLC.

 

[GogglesPisano]

That's how I read it. Closing SLC 88 and opening MSP 88 (all the 90's.) Then opening SLC 320 and displacing slightly from MSP320, but using increased A/C utlization to fill up SLC.

 

[another cfii]

For my Northern brothers. Do you know off hand what's the demographics like for the junior MSP A320 pilots? Are there THAT many junior commuters out of the west coast that are eyeing to go to SLC? I've heard it both ways. Since only those being affected (MDed) can bump us out of SLC, I just wanna see a show of hands if anybody can give me an idea...

Thanks.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Well the memo was out as published.

 

[FBN0223]

For my Northern brothers. Do you know off hand what's the demographics like for the junior MSP A320 pilots? Are there THAT many junior commuters out of the west coast that are eyeing to go to SLC? I've heard it both ways. Since only those being affected (MDed) can bump us out of SLC, I just wanna see a show of hands if anybody can give me an idea...

Thanks.

MSP has considerably lower percentage of pilots who commute than DTW, but for those who live out west and are too junior for the SEA A330, MSP is the next logical choice. I fly the B757 from the west coast to MSP frequently, and it seems we always have B757/A320 pilots on board commuting. My guess is that, if given the opportunity, many from the west coast will bid in to SLC if LAX is not an option. I've been thinking about SLC myself, but it's difficult at best, to figure out how this big AE will go down. Good luck.

 

[Truckdriver]

For my Northern brothers. Do you know off hand what's the demographics like for the junior MSP A320 pilots? Are there THAT many junior commuters out of the west coast that are eyeing to go to SLC? I've heard it both ways. Since only those being affected (MDed) can bump us out of SLC, I just wanna see a show of hands if anybody can give me an idea...

Thanks.

If your on the 90 now, anyone can bump you out of SLC not just MD'd guys from MSP because the 320 category will be a new category open for anyone to bid. If your on the 90 you will be MD'd so you can bump anyone off the 757 or 737 in SLC if they are junior to you, but any DAL-N guy can bid an AE for the 320 and if he is senior to you, your MD won't matter because it can only be used to go into a category if someone is junior to you. I think that is the way this will work since it will be a new category. I'm guessing what we'll see is any DAL-N 320 or -9 guy who commutes to MSP from west of Denver bid the 320 in SLC. Those few junior 320 and -9 guys who get an MD in MSP could use those to get into LA, but all the other guys will only have the option of going for an AE into the SLC 320 category. It doesn't look good for the current SLC 90 guys. I'm hoping to stay in SLC, but choice number two is to MD to the 320 in MSP and hope to be relatively more senior there. Thought I had it made two years ago when I got awarded SLC and could drive to work, now I'll be back to commuting unless there aren't as many DAL-N guys as we think trying to get into SLC.

 

[another cfii]

If your on the 90 now, anyone can bump you out of SLC not just MD'd guys from MSP because the 320 category will be a new category open for anyone to bid. If your on the 90 you will be MD'd so you can bump anyone off the 757 or 737 in SLC if they are junior to you, but any DAL-N guy can bid an AE for the 320 and if he is senior to you, your MD won't matter because it can only be used to go into a category if someone is junior to you. I think that is the way this will work since it will be a new category. I'm guessing what we'll see is any DAL-N 320 or -9 guy who commutes to MSP from west of Denver bid the 320 in SLC. Those few junior 320 and -9 guys who get an MD in MSP could use those to get into LA, but all the other guys will only have the option of going for an AE into the SLC 320 category. It doesn't look good for the current SLC 90 guys. I'm hoping to stay in SLC, but choice number two is to MD to the 320 in MSP and hope to be relatively more senior there. Thought I had it made two years ago when I got awarded SLC and could drive to work, now I'll be back to commuting unless there aren't as many DAL-N guys as we think trying to get into SLC.

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I knew it was too good to be true. I think i'll bid the -9 in MSP, and get it over with. (At least i'll be able to hold a line, sigh...) I figure the training from a relatively hi-tech aircraft, ie 738 to the maddawg was an eye opener, so what's more if i lose the Autothrottle and FMS as well =P

I know we're not gonna get any sympathy from anybody around here, so we better suck it up, and get used to the long"er" commute... FYI, I know quite a few senior SLC90 guys will bail SLC all together, especially those DFW refugees. To them, the commute from MSP is almost the same, plus they won't need to re-train. But that won't be enough to stop the influx from the north.

 

[Sedona16]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I knew it was too good to be true. I think i'll bid the -9 in MSP, and get it over with. (At least i'll be able to hold a line, sigh...) I figure the training from a relatively hi-tech aircraft, ie 738 to the maddawg was an eye opener, so what's more if i lose the Autothrottle and FMS as well =P

I know we're not gonna get any sympathy from anybody around here, so we better suck it up, and get used to the long"er" commute... FYI, I know quite a few senior SLC90 guys will bail SLC all together, especially those DFW refugees. To them, the commute from MSP is almost the same, plus they won't need to re-train. But that won't be enough to stop the influx from the north.

Sigh, wish we could undo this merger.

 

[FBN0223]

Sigh, wish we could undo this merger.

Don't we all!!!!

 

[KCPilot]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I knew it was too good to be true. I think i'll bid the -9 in MSP, and get it over with. (At least i'll be able to hold a line, sigh...) I figure the training from a relatively hi-tech aircraft, ie 738 to the maddawg was an eye opener, so what's more if i lose the Autothrottle and FMS as well =P

When I was in training last month on the 738, we were complaining about the "fire hose" training we got. The instructors and FAA guy stated that NW still has the 6 week program like the old Delta training program. So those of us that will be heading to the DC-9 will at least have time to re-learn the steam gauge stuff!

 

[Lucky Strike]

When I was in training last month on the 738, we were complaining about the "fire hose" training we got. The instructors and FAA guy stated that NW still has the 6 week program like the old Delta training program. So those of us that will be heading to the DC-9 will at least have time to re-learn the steam gauge stuff!

When I got checked out on the -9 two yrs ago, I was in and out of the school house in a months time.

 

[filejw]

When I got checked out on the -9 two yrs ago, I was in and out of the school house in a months time.

i think 28 days is the goal...