DAL Commuters

[FmrFreightDog]

The DFW commute is awful. If you are lucky enough to get the jumpseat, that is one thing. If you can't, there is NO way you will get the flight attendant jump, or a regular seat in the back. There are hundreds of stews with 40 years at the company trying to get those seldom open seats in the back of the multitude of MD88s between DFW and ATL.

Bye Bye--General Lee

No doubt. Here's hoping the ATL-DTW commute won't turn into a similar nightmare.

Of course, what I've never figured out about the DFW-ATL commute is why the heck anyone would want to live in Texas if they didn't have to in the first place.

(ducking now.....)

 

[Monster Buck]

Pretty sure this is not right. They will always give you the Y1 to get you there, but if for some reason (mechanical on the backup or whatever) you won't get there in time to work the trip Bid Schedule Trip Guarantee does not apply. They will, however, make every attempt to return you to the trip ASAP. If they can't get you back you can sit time available in base for open flying.

Two more questions about DALs policy. Do both the flights have to be Delta flights, or could one be offline? If you can't make it for the start of the trip (couldn't get on both), will they return you to the trip as soon as they can or do they just take you off the whole thing?

I think ACL is right about one thing. There's going to be a lot more commuters. The only reason Call in Honest exists at NWA is because of the high number of sick calls due to missed commutes. At some point the company decided the revenue lost by potentially bumping one passenger was insignificant compared to the revenue lost by having to cancel a flight because someone who was trying his best to get to work just couldn't get there. I think (or hope) that Delta will come around to this way of thinking as well.

Any two flights. Neither need to be Delta. Just two flights two hours apart that get you in before show. With a seat available 24 hours prior to flight. The jump counts.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Unfortunately Compass management doesn't let anyone ride the FA jumpseat other that Compass employees. I don't' know why and I don't agree with it.

Yeah I put an SWA guy on an FA jumpseat once outta MDW and got my peepee slapped. Sorry guys, we don't make the rules.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Call NWA ALPA jumpseat coordinator. They are working on it but the more calls the better. Thanks

Likewise, it would be nice if compass could ride FA jumpseats at NWA as well. I've been left behind many times in similar circumstances.

 

[DR Beeper]

As a career commuter not by choice, why is it that our company(s), visa our unions, can't accept that we can't get to work when we want to. I could be stuck in traffic on rte 74 or in MIA during a blizzard. What difference does it make? As far as the company's concerned, staffing (Fat or short) will drive policy. I've seen this everywhere, if your stuck, fake that your sick. We need relief! I'm done ranting, frickin hate commuting ahhhhhhh!

 

[DAL737FO]

The DFW commute is awful. If you are lucky enough to get the jumpseat, that is one thing. If you can't, there is NO way you will get the flight attendant jump, or a regular seat in the back. There are hundreds of stews with 40 years at the company trying to get those seldom open seats in the back of the multitude of MD88s between DFW and ATL.

Bye Bye--General Lee

I had a Captain complaining about the DFW to ATL commute and how our FA's, Delta, have the jumpseat booked and run over to American and list on their flight. I told him that we, meaning pilots, have a higher priority at American so a Delta FA can't bump you from a flight. He said the American gate agents have been convinced by our FA's that it is first come first served. I told him to talk to our jumpseat coordinator and have him call our counterpart at American. The Captain said he didn't want to rock the boat. Just something to put in your pocket if you're a DFW commuter.

 

[WSurf]

Speaking of which, I tried to ride a Compass FA jumpseat last week. The keyword is "tried." I was commuting home, the flight was full, and another NWA guy already has the cockpit jumpseat. So in my attempt to ride the Compass cabin jumpseat, I was informed by the Captain that FA jumpseats are not an option for NWA pilots. Alright, another night in MSP as the EMB175 taxis out with two open cabin jumpseats!!!. We gave them our flying and we can't even ride in an open cabin jumpseat. WTF!!!!

Is a Compass Pilot allowed in the FA Jumpseats on a Delta Flight?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I always thought it alternated between a pilot and FA after the cockpit j/s.

 

[dispatchguy]

No doubt. Here's hoping the ATL-DTW commute won't turn into a similar nightmare.

But with ATLDTW, you have a lot of cities in between that you could connect thru, such as SBN, FWA, CLE, GRR, LEX (probably), IND, ORD, MDW, PIT, CMH, CVG, SDF, STL, MKE etc.

But two leg commutes suck, but its better than the alternative, living in DTW....

 

[ACL65PILOT]

No only DAL pilots and FA's on the FA j/s.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Is a Compass Pilot allowed in the FA Jumpseats on a Delta Flight?

Nope, we certainly aren't. It's always fun to try and ask some commuting crusty old DC9 captain who survives on cigarettes and sanka to sit on the FA jumpseat, so I, junior varsity, can sit on the flightdeck to get to work.

Thankfully though, I've had many NWA guys do this to allow me to get back and forth, and I'm grateful for that.

This whole FA jumpseat restrictions thing is rediculous, JetBlue will let anyone sit on their's and that's how it should be IMHO.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It has to do with what the CMO (FAA certificate management office), and the company agree to.

 

[NuGuy]

Does anyone know what the commute is like between SoFL and ATL? Ugly, I'm sure, but I was interested in the specifics.

To DTW is doable, but you have to be Jonny on the spot with listing the JS, up to and including use of JetList or CrewControl (automated JS listers).

Nu

 

[DAL737FO]

Does anyone know what the commute is like between SoFL and ATL? Ugly, I'm sure, but I was interested in the specifics.

To DTW is doable, but you have to be Jonny on the spot with listing the JS, up to and including use of JetList or CrewControl (automated JS listers).

Nu

You need to narrow it down a little more. What part of South Florida? SW Florida you are not only fighting other pilots but the FA's going to work. South Florida (MIA, FLL, PBI) your not fighting the FA's as much since we still have FA bases down there. The good thing about Florida is that it is almost always large gauge equipment so there is usually an FA jumpseat left open if not a passenger seat.

 

[NuGuy]

You need to narrow it down a little more. What part of South Florida? SW Florida you are not only fighting other pilots but the FA's going to work. South Florida (MIA, FLL, PBI) your not fighting the FA's as much since we still have FA bases down there. The good thing about Florida is that it is almost always large gauge equipment so there is usually an FA jumpseat left open if not a passenger seat.

Heyas,

I was looking at FLL. I know between DAL, AAI and Spirit there's like 25 flights a day, but I figured that there would be a exponentially greater number of commuters that would negate that advantage.

I may just stay with the DTW-FLL commute.

Nu

 

[General Lee]

Heyas,

I was looking at FLL. I know between DAL, AAI and Spirit there's like 25 flights a day, but I figured that there would be a exponentially greater number of commuters that would negate that advantage.

I may just stay with the DTW-FLL commute.

Nu

A lot of FLL guys also commute to JFK for Europe stuff on JB and DL, but ATL is tough from all of FLA it seems. PNS is probably the toughest with all of the ex Navy guys.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FLL/ MIA is tough. A lot of the FA's down there are getting sick and tired of the horrible trips and are bidding ATL to do the international stuff. I would say it is possible, but about as good as DFW-ATL at times.
JS is always full.

 

[GOULET!]

Speaking of which, I tried to ride a Compass FA jumpseat last week. The keyword is "tried." I was commuting home, the flight was full, and another NWA guy already has the cockpit jumpseat. So in my attempt to ride the Compass cabin jumpseat, I was informed by the Captain that FA jumpseats are not an option for NWA pilots. Alright, another night in MSP as the EMB175 taxis out with two open cabin jumpseats!!!. We gave them our flying and we can't even ride in an open cabin jumpseat. WTF!!!!

I share your pain. As a Compass commuter I've been left behind on NWA airplane as the FA jumpseats are open. I know Compass FA's are not allowed to sit in NWA FA's seats and vice versa. I think there is alot of friction there and that's where its being held up. I've talked to the coordinator many times and the issue goes nowhere. Until NWA(DAL) changes their policy, don't hold your breath for Compass to change theirs.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The only off line FA j/s that I know of is AMR and DAL. But for the FA's I believe they need a cabin seat open.

 

[qxdash8]

I share your pain. As a Compass commuter I've been left behind on NWA airplane as the FA jumpseats are open. I know Compass FA's are not allowed to sit in NWA FA's seats and vice versa. I think there is alot of friction there and that's where its being held up. I've talked to the coordinator many times and the issue goes nowhere. Until NWA(DAL) changes their policy, don't hold your breath for Compass to change theirs.

Yet another good reason to bring Compass onto the DAL certificate!