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FBN0223

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As Compass takes over many of our former mainline out-stations, I decided to look at commuting options. This led me to our DL PWA and the DL commute policy, which verified the comments from my last Captain.

Currently at NWA, we have a call in honest policy which basically states that pilots must leave a back-up flight and in the event flight A fails, flight B will take you to your base positive space. Same applies at Delta. There is a significant difference and that is under the DL PWA, crew scheduling has more options. At NWA, call in honest can be used as much as needed with no pay penalty or disciplinary action.

From page 248, line 37-39 of the PWA.

Crew scheduling may:
a)dh the pilot to his rotation
b) place the pilot on his rotation when he transits his base.
c) remove the pilot from his rotation without pay
d) remove the reserve pilot from his on call duty without pay.

Furthermore a pilot is not eligible for one of the above a thru d options unless he has attempted travel on at least two flights that:

a) show adequate seat availability with 24 of departure considering the pilot's seniority and normal load factors of the flight.

b)scheduled to arrive at a reasonable time before his scheduled report time

c) are separated by at least two hours.

Also: It is expected that a pilot will make himself avail to sect 23 Y 2 on rare basis.
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Unfortunately, to avoid penalty, the only option may be a sick call.

Perhaps, I missed an LOA that would solve this problem or I am misinterpreting the section but it seems that this commute policy would lead to several bad situations, i.e. loss of pay for the trip or disciplinary action.
 
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Yesterday, I saw them remove a four day rotation off a commuter. It was over 24 hrs of credit. Now that will hurt.
 
I know. He called in honest. Problem here at DAL is that crew scheduling tracks you on travel net. You will have a very hard time convincing them that you are sick when you activated for a flight. He knew that.
Also you better remember it to. If you travel on our jets and are not paying for a ticket and using your non-rev bennies or JS. Do not activate yourself if you are going to be sick. It leads to a lot of questions.
 
Begs the question does a jumpseat you have reserved count as one of your two??

Let's say flight A is booked full and you have the jumpseat reserved. Flight B has seats. Flight A cancels and flight B fills up with the people from flight A and you get left behind. Do they come back at you and say, "Sorry one of your two flights did not have seat availability"??
 
I have seen this happen and most the time they see the JS as a golden ticket.
I always gave myself three flights just to make sure. Also it is 2 flights that 24 hrs prior to departure you would have a reasonable chance making.
 
So we're going backwards:

Currently at NWA to use call-in-honest:

1) Two flights are scheduled to arrive at or before your show time. So if my trip starts at 1300(1200 show-time), a second flight that is scheduled to arrive at 1200 works.

2) Full pay for the trip whether you make the trip or not, just so you followed the "back-up" rule.

3) No disciplinary action. We can use call-in-honest every trip if necessary.

Unless Delta changes their commute policy, they can plan on seeing a dramatic increase in sick calls. I think the lack of a good policy stems from the fact that most DL guys live in base. The opposite is true on the NWA side.
 
Don't forget, after giving up 47% of our pay, we also now have the use of a flight attendant jumpseat, as long as it is not taken by a stew......

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Don't forget, after giving up 47% of our pay, we also now have the use of a flight attendant jumpseat, as long as it is not taken by a stew......

Bye Bye--General Lee

Speaking of which, I tried to ride a Compass FA jumpseat last week. The keyword is "tried." I was commuting home, the flight was full, and another NWA guy already has the cockpit jumpseat. So in my attempt to ride the Compass cabin jumpseat, I was informed by the Captain that FA jumpseats are not an option for NWA pilots. Alright, another night in MSP as the EMB175 taxis out with two open cabin jumpseats!!!. We gave them our flying and we can't even ride in an open cabin jumpseat. WTF!!!!
 

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