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[Going2Baja]

It would be helpful if when talking date of hire if you would post North or South. A NWA 2000 hire is next to a DAL 2007 hire. Or a Sen# rounded to the hundredth's.

Just a thought.

Baja.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

I am a Delta - S 2000 hire. I was referring to 73N B.

Goggles,

If u were a S-2007 hire you couldn't have gone back unless it was a displacement off something else. I am #5 on the NYC MD-88B and had a bid in for NYC 765, 7ER, and 73N just to get something. The guys that got those categories were displaced in to them. Despite being junior to me, they got them from Displacements; no one junior to me got any of those on an AE, so that is why I am STILL f@#^*ing stuck.

It is a good plane and the Captains are cool; I just need a higher paying category.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I am a Delta - S 2000 hire. I was referring to 73N B.

Goggles,

If u were a S-2007 hire you couldn't have gone back unless it was a displacement off something else. I am #5 on the NYC MD-88B and had a bid in for NYC 765, 7ER, and 73N just to get something. The guys that got those categories were displaced in to them. Despite being junior to me, they got them from Displacements; no one junior to me got any of those on an AE, so that is why I am STILL f@#^*ing stuck.

It is a good plane and the Captains are cool; I just need a higher paying category.

Understood. Now I realize what they mean when they say, "VD's get processed before AE's."

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

I think in the scheme of things, it is a moving dart board. First AEs are awarded temporarily. The VDs (some with AEsget bumped out); then MDs and even more AE bidders get bumped from the award they temporarily had.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

And last week they were stating new hires for fall. It is a moving target. Both timing and numbers are constantly changing.

 

[twobits]

Delta is not going to hire for 3 years..... Age 65, merger synergies (i.e. reduction of service means less supply, same demand, so the price just moves right on up), and outsourcing of jobs to regionals. On top of that, there are a lot of warm and fuzzies out there right now - that is because Delta has been trying to get one certificate and please every community/politician that moved along it's merger plan. How long will that last? who knows, but take the good with the bad. 4 years ago, things looked pretty bad (probably weren't as bad as they said because they suddenly have a lot of money to throw around consolidating the international airline industry). my .02.

 

[filejw]

Delta is not going to hire for 3 years..... Age 65, merger synergies (i.e. reduction of service means less supply, same demand, so the price just moves right on up), and outsourcing of jobs to regionals. On top of that, there are a lot of warm and fuzzies out there right now - that is because Delta has been trying to get one certificate and please every community/politician that moved along it's merger plan. How long will that last? who knows, but take the good with the bad. 4 years ago, things looked pretty bad (probably weren't as bad as they said because they suddenly have a lot of money to throw around consolidating the international airline industry). my .02.

Anderson and co wanted a one certificated as fast as they could and now they have. All departments have been spending money like drunken solders and that I'm sure will come to a close as soon as they put the NWA hats on..

 

[Ed Harley]

And last week they were stating new hires for fall. It is a moving target. Both timing and numbers are constantly changing.

Just attended a Steve Dickson briefing in MSP and according to him and the Crew Resources director, the possibility of hiring this year is extremely unlikely. Even if we are perfectly staffed for this summer that means we are 20%-ish over staffed for the fall 2010.

That being said, watch oil prices, significant changes in the economy, and the JAL deal and the pilot staffing situation could possibly change. The May/June AE will be telling. The company is dragging their feet on this AE while closely watching the above said issues to determine how much flying we do this year / next.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Just attended a Steve Dickson briefing in MSP and according to him and the Crew Resources director, the possibility of hiring this year is extremely unlikely. Even if we are perfectly staffed for this summer that means we are 20%-ish over staffed for the fall 2010.

That being said, watch oil prices, significant changes in the economy, and the JAL deal and the pilot staffing situation could possibly change. The May/June AE will be telling. The company is dragging their feet on this AE while closely watching the above said issues to determine how much flying we do this year / next.

I know, they are wavering. On Jan 1st they stated hiring in fall of 2010 so they are mincing words.

From what I can tell they are prepping for opening the hiring cog.

I also agree that they are getting ready because of the JAL deal. It is a moving target so that makes their staffing needs a moving target. If you take the whole JAL deal out of it they will see a need for pilots in 2011.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Hiring would be nice, but I'm pretty happy with status quo in the near term. The fact that we haven't furloughed is amazing and very beneficial to me.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Agreed, Hockey. The simple fact that they are having a hard time running a summer sked is great. That means that furloughs just would not make a bid of sense. Now that could change, but for now they see growth.

 

[av8tor76]

i kinda agree with twobits..we won't hire till senior guys start fading ..no furloughs.

 

[twobits]

ACL65PILOT, I admire your optimism. BTW, the JAL deal is bad for Delta pilots. This would allow them to fly all routes out of Tokyo with JAL - not DAL pilots. Therefore, all Far east flights will be JAL, except ATL-NRT and DTW-HKG IMHO.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

ACL65PILOT, I admire your optimism. BTW, the JAL deal is bad for Delta pilots. This would allow them to fly all routes out of Tokyo with JAL - not DAL pilots. Therefore, all Far east flights will be JAL, except ATL-NRT and DTW-HKG IMHO.

I will state that you are wrong on both accounts. Unless our union gives away our NRT slots they are contractual. I do not see our union doing that. We will get most of the NRT America, and South America routes, AF-KLM will do most but not all of Europe, and we will both do some of the North South like we do now.

I know it is hard to see but a deal with JAL and a JAL that is shrinking their international footprint, is one that we WANT a deal with. I know why? Well, we get their premium international traffic on our coded flights. That is worth billions in revenue for DAL in the AF deal and will be worth billions in the JAL deal. I get that we need to convert that for you and I the pilots in to green in our wallets. Simply put, a deal like this is good for our cash flow and revenue stream as a company, and therefore good for us. Long term here. In effect slower growth that is sustainable versus rapid short term grown is what we will see. I know you want quick growth but if we are going to do that and not take JAL in to the alliance, then guess what it will not last and we will hire then furlough. Simple truths.

As for hiring, wrong again. I will use the submissive, and probably because nothing is ever set in stone, but there are jets coming that are not staffed and we do not have the staffing for. They will require new hires to staff. Add the jets in the desert that will be brought back starting late this year, and we will need bodies from here on out. Three months from now this will be a lot clearer to everyone.

 

[twobits]

Maybe you are right, who knows. One thing is for sure, pilot's don't know! Management does, and they have a plan they are not sharing with us (for good reason - don't want to show their hand). How many mergers have we seen in the last 50 years.... don't answer that, it's impossible. How many mergers have happened in the last 50 years where any hiring happened in the successive 3 years? I don't know the answer, but it probably gives a good indication as to what we can expect at Delta. Just because the company is making more money, does not mean they are going to hand it out to it's employees willingly, that is what the contract is for. However, right you are that it is easier to get a better contract when DL is making money.

New airplanes are coming, and old airplanes are leaving. What does that net? I don't know that either.... the -9's will be gone sooner than later. The new airplanes are Big RJ's, flown by TBD - but DAL MEC better be ready for whipsaw between DAL and Regionals. The aircraft in the desert have new paint jobs on them, but that doesn't mean they are coming out anytime soon..... 767's and 757's are getting very old and tired, but are still good aircraft.

Routes that Delta and JAL fly that overlap can be eliminated by codesharing. For example, pull out your two route maps. NRT to these cities will be codeshare cities with JAL - HKG, SIN, BKK, SGN, MNL, TPE, SFO, JFK, CHI, PVG, PEK. The Korean flights to Narita will be codeshare with KE. DTW, ATL, SLC and LAX will likely stay Delta. HNL and GUM will be up for grabs between the two; probably still going to JAL. Say it ain't so? well, it might be. How much confidence do you have in your contract to save these jobs and routes? What about in the negotiating leverage DAL MEC has? Right now, the company is stragegically placing itself where it wants, and is the time for the MEC to step up and ensure DAL jobs are not lost (i.e. furlough).