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CVRs of both the Legacy, and GOL 737 over Brazil

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siucavflight said:
Here are some good pictures.

http://www.flightglobal.com/article...mbraer-legacy-in-fridays-fatal-collision.html

Looks like that throw away jet is pretty tough.
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Which proves the point.

The plane ain't disposable. (And if you listen to the CVR the Legacy is actually quieter than the 737--so much for all that :uzi: "Whistling" BULLSH*T.)

Doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are dead for no good reason.

Two of my friends were on that plane in the back. One (a *GREAT* guy) is talking on the CVR through the J/S headset around 10 : 00. Wow. That's chilling.

Henry I love ya' man. Glad you are still here.

I'm never gonna' sleep the same again at night after hearing that 737 tape.

Geezus Gawd be with all of those souls.

No TCAS warning at all...

:(

Kudos to the 737 crew. They sound like they fought it to the ground.

53 seconds....

:(
 
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Holy sheee-ite.

These guys did a good job.

"Auto Pilot. Auto Pilot. Auto Pilot." Push the TCS Guys. ;)

*BEEEEEP* *BEEEEEEEEP* *BEEEEEEP* Altitude Alert Warning.

"Let me fly it."

"What was that?"

"Where did he come from?"

"Did we hit somebody?"

Wow.

They did it right.

Sorry, but Brazil has nothing on these guys. They did it right. They were pros as far as I can see and they saved the lives in their charge.

*salute*

Call me if you need an expert witness. No fault in my eyes.

Wow.

I'm sorry but the crewmembers on both planes did their best and that's all that one can expect from any pilot who occupies a seat behind a yoke or stick.
 
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Wow. Good CRM.

They asked my bud to help watch the speed. He came forward to sit in the J/S to help if he could.

Good man. Good guys. Good work.

Wow.

"Is that who we hit?"

Geezus.

Good job on the guys on the relay, also.

This was a professional response to a desperate situation. The guys on the Legacy acquitted themselves well. The 737 crew did also. As well did the crew relaying messages for the EMB gang.

This is what aviators should do.

I'm proud of all involved... Nobody did it wrong that I can see... What a tragedy but everyone did their best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Great CRM.

These guys were talking to each other, the J/S, the pax, the controllers, other planes...

Great work.

Think out loud guys.

Bravo Legacy crew.

You guys did good.
 
185 at the numbers...

This airplane does stop awesome.

I can attest to that.

Man. What a tragedy but the bird and the crew did a good job.

Way to go baby. Sorry it happened though. :(
 
6 posts back to back to back... Are you talking to yourself now? Or are you just trying to get your post count up?
 
LegacyDriver said:
Which proves the point.

The plane ain't disposable. (And if you listen to the CVR the Legacy is actually quieter than the 737--so much for all that :uzi: "Whistling" BULLSH*T.)



:(
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Give it a rest. It is what it is. If it quacks like a duck, then it is probably a duck. :)
 
SansPlane said:
Interesting comment from page 8 of the VF article: “You can include the corrupted tax structures that allow airplanes as questionable as the Legacy to be built, sold, and flown.”
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You forgot this quote that preceeded it and thus the readers on this board will not appreciate the context of the above.

"The Legacy occupies a position toward the high end of private jets—among airplanes like Gulfstreams, Challengers, and Falcons—which by political, ethical, and environmental measures are abhorrent creations, but which nonetheless are masterworks of personal transportation."

Obviously the man has a bias against Business Jets in general, especially larger ones.
 
uncle_rico said:
LegacyDriver.....dude....ease up buddy....1 post is sufficient.
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Sorry. I'm an emotional guy in case you can't tell. Those CVR tapes were horrific and heroic at the same time... Again, apologies.

I would have consolidated them into one post but the edit is locked.
 
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Galaxy said:
6 posts back to back to back... Are you talking to yourself now? Or are you just trying to get your post count up?
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Over a period measured in hours.

It's not like I was just hitting send every five seconds. Again, my sincere apologies.
 
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Wow. I still can't believe what I heard on that 737 CVR...

It seems apparent to me that the F/O was the guy saying, "AYE!"

I can pick up the Captain saying, "Calma. Calma." (The best true English equivalent is not, "Calm. Calm." Rather... "Steady. Steady." Or, "Easy. Easy.")

Is there a source for an English translation of the rest of it? I know Spanish but not Portuguese and the wind noise makes it hard to hear what they are saying. I think they were fighting it all the way to the ground as evidenced by gear extension, etc. and the Captain continuing to talk calmly all the way down.

I'm just wondering what they said because I can't distinguish it.

Is the rattle sound an overspeed or is that a stick shaker?

I am so saddened by what I heard and I can't imagine the horror. I am just thankful they all had long enough to make peace with their God but not time enough to suffer.

I'm sorry people. CVRs are unfair to the dead as well as the living no matter how much credit they may bring to those no longer here...

It is like p***ing on a grave for these things to be made public, IMHO. Let flight crews hear them to learn, otherwise they're sacrilege.
 
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LegacyDriver said:
Wow. I still can't believe what I heard on that 737 CVR...

It seems apparent to me that the F/O was the guy saying, "AYE!"

I can pick up the Captain saying, "Calma. Calma." (The best true English equivalent is not, "Calm. Calm." Rather... "Steady. Steady." Or, "Easy. Easy.")

Is there a source for an English translation of the rest of it? I know Spanish but not Portuguese and the wind noise makes it hard to hear what they are saying. I think they were fighting it all the way to the ground as evidenced by gear extension, etc. and the Captain continuing to talk calmly all the way down.

I'm just wondering what they said because I can't distinguish it.

Is the rattle sound an overspeed or is that a stick shaker?

I am so saddened by what I heard and I can't imagine the horror. I am just thankful they all had long enough to make peace with their God but not time enough to suffer.

I'm sorry people. CVRs are unfair to the dead as well as the living no matter how much credit they may bring to those no longer here...

It is like p***ing on a grave for these things to be made public, IMHO. Let flight crews hear them to learn, otherwise they're sacrilege.
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Word. I totally agree.

Who let the tapes out in public?
 
It's Brazil, they can't run a proper ATC system, can't keep tapes private, I hope they can really build airplanes :uzi:

that was pick at LegacyDriver :laugh:
 
Holy crap Legacy, you have a record for number of post on one page now!
 
The clacker is the second warning and it's for an overspeed, the first warning sound was the alert for the autopilot being disconnected.
 
wrxpilot said:
I find it incomprehensible that these guys were expected to be scanning intently for traffic at cruise during a long flight in the flight levels. You'd be completely worn out after 45 mins!
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I don't. From what I've read they were flying in an area with questionable radio/radar contact. I would would think a crew would be more vigilant in those circumstances. This applies to both crews.
 
Hamburger said:
Don't EVER forget how easy it is to hear the tapes any time 'cameras in the cockpit' comes down the pipe.
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So again I ask. Who let the tapes out? Who provided vanity fair with the tapes? Or did vanity fair find the tapes online?

While Hamburgler did express an opinion and a rather good one, no one has answered the question.

Aren't tapes normally kept private out of respect?
 
CVR Tapes in the U.S. are kept private out of respect for federal law (you can thank ALPA for that). I'm guessing in Brazil no such laws exist.
 
LegacyDriver said:
Which proves the point.

The plane ain't disposable. (And if you listen to the CVR the Legacy is actually quieter than the 737--so much for all that :uzi: "Whistling" BULLSH*T.)

Doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are dead for no good reason.

Two of my friends were on that plane in the back. One (a *GREAT* guy) is talking on the CVR through the J/S headset around 10 : 00. Wow. That's chilling.

Henry I love ya' man. Glad you are still here.

I'm never gonna' sleep the same again at night after hearing that 737 tape.

Geezus Gawd be with all of those souls.

No TCAS warning at all...

:(

Kudos to the 737 crew. They sound like they fought it to the ground.

53 seconds....

:(
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scary sh!t. So you know a few on board??
 
GVFlyer said:
TCAS doesn't work if the transponder on one airplane is in standby.
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I think Honeywell should think about adding a big red X over the TCAS screen when the TCAS is off and make the TCAS off message yellow instead of staying white. I looked at our Primius 1000 with the transponder in standby the other day, and it is really hard to notice that the TCAS is off.
 

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