CVRs of both the Legacy, and GOL 737 over Brazil

[LegacyDriver]

Interesting comment from page 8 of the VF article: “You can include the corrupted tax structures that allow airplanes as questionable as the Legacy to be built, sold, and flown.”

You forgot this quote that preceeded it and thus the readers on this board will not appreciate the context of the above.

"The Legacy occupies a position toward the high end of private jets—among airplanes like Gulfstreams, Challengers, and Falcons—which by political, ethical, and environmental measures are abhorrent creations, but which nonetheless are masterworks of personal transportation."

Obviously the man has a bias against Business Jets in general, especially larger ones.

 

[LegacyDriver]

LegacyDriver.....dude....ease up buddy....1 post is sufficient.

Sorry. I'm an emotional guy in case you can't tell. Those CVR tapes were horrific and heroic at the same time... Again, apologies.

I would have consolidated them into one post but the edit is locked.

 

[LegacyDriver]

6 posts back to back to back... Are you talking to yourself now? Or are you just trying to get your post count up?

Over a period measured in hours.

It's not like I was just hitting send every five seconds. Again, my sincere apologies.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Wow. I still can't believe what I heard on that 737 CVR...

It seems apparent to me that the F/O was the guy saying, "AYE!"

I can pick up the Captain saying, "Calma. Calma." (The best true English equivalent is not, "Calm. Calm." Rather... "Steady. Steady." Or, "Easy. Easy.")

Is there a source for an English translation of the rest of it? I know Spanish but not Portuguese and the wind noise makes it hard to hear what they are saying. I think they were fighting it all the way to the ground as evidenced by gear extension, etc. and the Captain continuing to talk calmly all the way down.

I'm just wondering what they said because I can't distinguish it.

Is the rattle sound an overspeed or is that a stick shaker?

I am so saddened by what I heard and I can't imagine the horror. I am just thankful they all had long enough to make peace with their God but not time enough to suffer.

I'm sorry people. CVRs are unfair to the dead as well as the living no matter how much credit they may bring to those no longer here...

It is like p***ing on a grave for these things to be made public, IMHO. Let flight crews hear them to learn, otherwise they're sacrilege.

 

[BushwickBill]

Wow. I still can't believe what I heard on that 737 CVR...

It seems apparent to me that the F/O was the guy saying, "AYE!"

I can pick up the Captain saying, "Calma. Calma." (The best true English equivalent is not, "Calm. Calm." Rather... "Steady. Steady." Or, "Easy. Easy.")

Is there a source for an English translation of the rest of it? I know Spanish but not Portuguese and the wind noise makes it hard to hear what they are saying. I think they were fighting it all the way to the ground as evidenced by gear extension, etc. and the Captain continuing to talk calmly all the way down.

I'm just wondering what they said because I can't distinguish it.

Is the rattle sound an overspeed or is that a stick shaker?

I am so saddened by what I heard and I can't imagine the horror. I am just thankful they all had long enough to make peace with their God but not time enough to suffer.

I'm sorry people. CVRs are unfair to the dead as well as the living no matter how much credit they may bring to those no longer here...

It is like p***ing on a grave for these things to be made public, IMHO. Let flight crews hear them to learn, otherwise they're sacrilege.

Word. I totally agree.

Who let the tapes out in public?

 

[LJ45]

It's Brazil, they can't run a proper ATC system, can't keep tapes private, I hope they can really build airplanes :uzi:

that was pick at LegacyDriver :laugh:

 

[LegacyDriver]

Seriously, though, even the US doesn't do a very good job of keeping these things private. It's a real problem.

 

[siucavflight]

Holy crap Legacy, you have a record for number of post on one page now!

 

[Hamburger]

Who let the tapes out in public?

Don't EVER forget how easy it is to hear the tapes any time 'cameras in the cockpit' comes down the pipe.

 

[airlinepilot]

The clacker is the second warning and it's for an overspeed, the first warning sound was the alert for the autopilot being disconnected.

 

[KigAir]

I find it incomprehensible that these guys were expected to be scanning intently for traffic at cruise during a long flight in the flight levels. You'd be completely worn out after 45 mins!

I don't. From what I've read they were flying in an area with questionable radio/radar contact. I would would think a crew would be more vigilant in those circumstances. This applies to both crews.

 

[BushwickBill]

Don't EVER forget how easy it is to hear the tapes any time 'cameras in the cockpit' comes down the pipe.

So again I ask. Who let the tapes out? Who provided vanity fair with the tapes? Or did vanity fair find the tapes online?

While Hamburgler did express an opinion and a rather good one, no one has answered the question.

Aren't tapes normally kept private out of respect?

 

[ackattacker]

CVR Tapes in the U.S. are kept private out of respect for federal law (you can thank ALPA for that). I'm guessing in Brazil no such laws exist.

 

[say again]

Which proves the point.

The plane ain't disposable. (And if you listen to the CVR the Legacy is actually quieter than the 737--so much for all that :uzi: "Whistling" BULLSH*T.)

Doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are dead for no good reason.

Two of my friends were on that plane in the back. One (a *GREAT* guy) is talking on the CVR through the J/S headset around 10 : 00. Wow. That's chilling.

Henry I love ya' man. Glad you are still here.

I'm never gonna' sleep the same again at night after hearing that 737 tape.

Geezus Gawd be with all of those souls.

No TCAS warning at all...



Kudos to the 737 crew. They sound like they fought it to the ground.

53 seconds....

scary sh!t. So you know a few on board??

 

[say again]

CVR Tapes in the U.S. are kept private out of respect for federal law (you can thank ALPA for that). I'm guessing in Brazil no such laws exist.

No there isn't!!

 

[j-3]

There are 5 videos, this one is Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhwVLBZbYE

 

[Amish RakeFight]

There are 5 videos, this one is Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhwVLBZbYE

Hitting RETURN creates a hyperlink to click:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbhwVLBZbYE

 

[LegacyDriver]

scary sh!t. So you know a few on board??

Yeah I know two of the people who were in back.

One of them is heard on the CVR before the hit and then after when he comes up and winds up helping them watch the airspeed.

 

[GVFlyer]

No TCAS warning at all...

TCAS doesn't work if the transponder on one airplane is in standby.

 

[LJ45]

TCAS doesn't work if the transponder on one airplane is in standby.

I think Honeywell should think about adding a big red X over the TCAS screen when the TCAS is off and make the TCAS off message yellow instead of staying white. I looked at our Primius 1000 with the transponder in standby the other day, and it is really hard to notice that the TCAS is off.