Comair pilots almost took wrong plane

[747flyboy]

Pilots will always make mistakes, but you have to consider everything before pointing the finger at one person.

Pointing the finger at TWO incompetent pilots with ZERO situational awareness is more like it.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Pointing the finger at TWO incompetent pilots with ZERO situational awareness is more like it.

Wow, you must feel cool, you flew a 747, come on a web-board and call two people you never met incompetent.

I hope I end up as cool as you are one day.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Pointing the finger at TWO incompetent pilots with ZERO situational awareness is more like it.

Moron.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Resist the urge to reply... it's not working... can't- seem- to- stop...

 

[GogglesPisano]

I'm done with CNN, Fox News, and the likes. I'm getting my news from PBS from now on. This is ridiculous.

Someone else has seen the light. Tired of Mark Karr (sp?), Michael Jackson, Sandra Levi, Natalie Holloway, of statistics about the safety of flying vs driving (or showering) being ignored? Tired of talking heads spewing non-sequitor political bumper-sticker logic at each other?

Try the Newshour on PBS. It sums up the day's events without the entertainment.

 

[bvt1151]

If kevdog would have been into LEX, he'd have known that the "26" numbers are actually painted behind the point where an aircraft would have turned.

Also, we get into the wrong airplane all the time, because thats what ramp tells us to get into. The only official way we know which is the correct aircraft is when the release arrives, which may not happen until 5-minutes prior to departure.

 

[CRJ puppy]

The pilots didn't follow the 10-9, didn't realize they turned onto the wrong runway, didn't notice the wrong runway numbers, didn't notice the wrong runway markings, didn't notice there wasn't any runway lighting, and killed a bunch of passengers. Must not have been their day if they knew what they were doing.

Guess you didn't pay attention and hear that the Jepp 10-9 chart did not match what existed on the ground in LEX that day; missed that most of the associated lighting with runway 22 was inop due to recent construction (including distance remaining signage); missed that the runway edge lighting WAS operating for runway 26 that day; you missed that runway 26 is in fact really 150' wide like 22; missed that when you are on runway 22, because of the rise at the center part of the airport, you cannot see the other end of the runway, so it actually looks like a 3500' runway; missed that the controller wasn't watching the aircraft; and you missed that you are an a$$hole for posting such $hit.

 

[stearnst]

Someone else has seen the light. Tired of Mark Karr (sp?), Michael Jackson, Sandra Levi, Natalie Holloway, of statistics about the safety of flying vs driving (or showering) being ignored? Tired of talking heads spewing non-sequitor political bumper-sticker logic at each other?

Try the Newshour on PBS. It sums up the day's events without the entertainment.

Or...check out the evening lineup on Comedy Central. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are the only places I get the news. Get your news AND entertainment while watching two of the funniest guys on TV poke fun at mass media and the Bush administration.

Oh, NPR/BBC get the job done without too much hype too, if you're not in the mood for a laugh.

 

[joe_pilot]

Pointing the finger at TWO incompetent pilots with ZERO situational awareness is more like it.

Wow. I didn't realize what a tough guy you are. Talking smack about one dead guy and another who is in intensive care, fighting for his life?

You are a real man. How's that working out for you?

 

[kevdog]

Guess you didn't pay attention and hear that the Jepp 10-9 chart did not match what existed on the ground in LEX that day; missed that most of the associated lighting with runway 22 was inop due to recent construction (including distance remaining signage); missed that the runway edge lighting WAS operating for runway 26 that day; you missed that runway 26 is in fact really 150' wide like 22; missed that when you are on runway 22, because of the rise at the center part of the airport, you cannot see the other end of the runway, so it actually looks like a 3500' runway; missed that the controller wasn't watching the aircraft; and you missed that you are an a$$hole for posting such $hit.

I guess you missed a lot of people lost their lives because of gross pilot error. The airport should have just been closed that day for all the reasons you posted above.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I vote that we put kevdog and 747flyboy on the NTSB investigation board. They apparently have it all figured out.



AF

 

[Smellycat]

Someone else has seen the light. Tired of Mark Karr (sp?), Michael Jackson, Sandra Levi, Natalie Holloway, of statistics about the safety of flying vs driving (or showering) being ignored? Tired of talking heads spewing non-sequitor political bumper-sticker logic at each other?

Try the Newshour on PBS. It sums up the day's events without the entertainment.

Birkenstocks mandatory. Must have Starbucks in hand or you will be guaranteed a blissful nap.

 

[Scooby74]

I keep hearing that the "controller" wasn't watching the aircraft. I thought it was an FAA mandated there always be TWO controllers in the tower. Does anyone know if that is true. IF so where was the other controller? Just curious. Just imagine how the controller feels about this whole situation. If I was the controller, I would have a real hard time sleeping.

 

[wmuflyguy]

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Welcome to our newest aviator, 747flyboy2

Apparently he got banned and re-registerd. He really wants to make his point on this web-board

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Apparently he got banned and re-registerd. He really wants to make his point on this web-board

Now there is $10 well spent.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Now there is $10 well spent.

I was hoping the 10 dollar charge would cut down on the Flame on here. Apprently some pilots make enough to toss 10 bucks to get a rise out of people.

 

[embpic1]

What does it matter where you flew? I've flown different aircraft all over the world for the past 10 years, including 2 years of Part 121 on the 747. My experience is not only from flying, its from being smart and laying down rules that won't be broken for anyone or anything.

Are you saying that in the commercial airlines its OK to rush? If so, I sure hope you're not a captain yet. If you are a captain I sure hope you have co-pilots with some balls that'll tell you to slow down or they won't be operating the aircraft with you.

Ok... Did I miss something? Where has it been determined that they were rushing? Has it been determined that then got into the correct plane, fueled, boarded and taxied out in such a short time that it was obvious that they were rushing? You must have the timeline or something huh?

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I'm done with CNN, Fox News, and the likes. I'm getting my news from PBS from now on. This is ridiculous.

Oh, that is a much better source ! Lol Tool !

 

[HughBeamont]

Actually, I was banned once for talking about my relationship with Jesus.

You have a relationship with Jesus? Well I have a relationship with Jesus too, and the next time I see him, he's got a lot of explaining to do.

 

[bvt1151]

I was hoping the 10 dollar charge would cut down on the Flame on here. Apprently some pilots make enough to toss 10 bucks to get a rise out of people.

Its like a $10 stupid tax.

 

[greg52083]

I was hoping the 10 dollar charge would cut down on the Flame on here. Apprently some pilots make enough to toss 10 bucks to get a rise out of people.

How do you know hes even a pilot?

 

[xjlifer]

If he is I would hate to fly with him...nothing worse in aviation than a know it all.

Especially bad when they jump all over a accident screaming I would NEVER have done THAT!!

 

[uba757]

Hey 747 A$$$$$$$$$$$$$-Hole. I don't know what your problem is but I can give you that attitude adjustment that you need free of charge. UBA757

 

[Sawmill]

Would you guys please stop bashing 747fly(little)boy and Kevmutt! It takes a lot of experience and will power to stop touching one's self long enough while surfing porn to fly ALL the airplanes on MS Flight Simulator and become master pilots....Hmmm, since they are baiting everyone on here, would you call them master baiters?

 

[737 Pylt]

Its like a $10 stupid tax.

Priceless!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
737

 

[Fly4PayNoMore]

There is a reason that this is an important story to report. It needs to remind us that no matter how routine your day may be, we still need to put our energies into expecting the non-routine items that will undoubtedly be thrown our way.

Sure, the ramper or gate agent may tell you the wrong airplane...but what if the dispatch release is late, and you are forced into a rush...but you don't take the time to slow down. Did you miss the tail number? Or the fact that airplane you climbed into was prefueled by the ramp who had looked up the fuel numbers while you were busy. In your haste, you depart in an aircraft that is fueled for a 35 minute flight...but have a 135 minute flight ahead of you. It HAS happened.

The fact that they got into the wrong airplane does not necessarily reflect on them, but potentially, the fact that you or I did it, could reflect upon our abilities sometime in the future.

Fly Safe!

 

[ArcticFlier]

God forbid CS sent them to the wrong plane, and the ramper who was loading them (knowing what was going where) got 'em going in the right direction.


AF

 

[ATTCS]

Sure, the ramper or gate agent may tell you the wrong airplane...but what if the dispatch release is late, and you are forced into a rush...but you don't take the time to slow down. Did you miss the tail number? Or the fact that airplane you climbed into was prefueled by the ramp who had looked up the fuel numbers while you were busy. In your haste, you depart in an aircraft that is fueled for a 35 minute flight...but have a 135 minute flight ahead of you. It HAS happened.

The fact that they got into the wrong airplane does not necessarily reflect on them, but potentially, the fact that you or I did it, could reflect upon our abilities sometime in the future.

Fly Safe!

Damn good points. At the majors when they go to the gate there is only one airplane normally. At the 'regional' level i've seen 4 planes sitting there at the gate. I've asked the rampie which one is ours and I've been told the wrong plane several times. And I've also been told 'The release will be out shortly'. I've learned at this point to call dispatch and see what they have to say.

We are all human. Remember that. Sometimes we have to slow down a little when we realize that things are beginning to slide the wrong way. Learn to recognize that point and deal with it. I've pulled over when taxiing out, stopped and caught our minds up with the airplane. 25 years ago it saved our lives.

 

[atrdriver]

I vote that we put kevdog and 747flyboy on the NTSB investigation board. They apparently have it all figured out.



AF

I vote we put them in a cockpit together and see how long it takes them to make the news.

 

[Nindiri]

I suspect the FA's would put visine in their coffee before they even had a chance to make the news.