Comair exit poll

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Jet:

The low pressure over CVG must be caused due to the Comair pilots massive ingestion of cool aid. In one week I saw Comair pilots go from "we are the most profitable regional airline" to "OH MY GOD IF WEE DON'T CUT OUR PAY WE WILL GO CHAPTER 7, WE WILL LOSE OUR JOBS, OUR MOTHERS WILL NOT LOVE US, WAAAAAAHHHHH, RUN"

Freddie Smooth Talk can do that in a week?

This is Delta Connection fighting over the scraps of the Delta MEC's left over barganing. Your "yes" vote endorses ALPA's scope strategy. Your "yes" vote legitimizes the alpa apartied system. Your "yes" vote tells management that concessions for growth is the strategy for the future. Maybe what this business needs are more military pilots and less Embry Riddle and Delta Concession Academy Grads fighting over who gets to fly the Seminole with the Garmin radios.

No - we don't respect you - we recognize you for what you are. We recognize whipsaw and know that management will be back to ask you for more after they finish with us. We know that airplane purchasing decisions are not made over $5.00 in hourly crew costs.

He11, it costs more to staff the redundant management teams and pay for unecessary hotel rooms, crew costs and scheduling inefficiencies to operate overlapping alter ego air carriers than your measly pay cut gives Delta back. This is a moral victory for management and a morale loss for ALPA members who stood beside you to improve this profession.

Hey - you take care of #1. Who needs unity, right?

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[jetflyer]

You guys don't see that we are faced with an aging fleet. This LOA protects US from going below 199 planes.

It says that when the AGING AIRCRAFT LEAVE, they have to replace them to keep the number at 199! This is very valuable to our pilot group and airline.

We would all be able to keep our jobs, as the fleet was replaced because of this provision.

35 planes, heck this LOA means 4 X that number more, when you count the replacement aircraft too. This would keep US ALL EMPLOYED.

I think you guys would rather us say "NO" and be out on the streets furloughed than us doing what is right for us. AMAZING and very selfish of you.


Jet

 

[homerjdispatch]

Thank you for the good wishes. A word of caution -- if everytime you come into the room you smell sh!t, the first place you need to look is your own shoes, not Comair's shoes.

The funny thing is, I walk around all day and dont smell a thing. Then I see "surplus1" and guess what? It starts smelling again. I didn't say Comair smells, just your "COMAIR PILOTS ARE ON A HIGHER PEDASTAL" attitude.

 

[jetflyer]

Jetflyer,
One more thing jet! Have you ever held a real world job out side of flying or did you go through one of those programs that daddy paid for?

Your ignorance is amazing!!!!!

Patriot,
I thought I'd let this go but I can't. I come from a poor household. I owe much debt from college and my flight training. I graduated SUMMA cum laude from that university.

I flew 135 freight for close to two years in large twin engine aircraft. I paid my dues and was thanking God every day when Comair hired me when I had close to 3000 hours. I thought I was going to be flying cruddy 135 for the rest of my life.

To answer your question, daddy didn't pay for squat, and I am not ignorant.

Sorry for this post, I just get sick of the personal attacks that occur on here, when you stand up for what you believe in.

Jet

 

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I think you guys would rather us say "NO" and be out on the streets furloughed than us doing what is right for us. AMAZING and very selfish of you.

Jet

Jet:

Here is a time line for you, you putz:

Three weeks ago - UNITY , Comair pilots are confident their Company is doing well.

Two weeks ago - Freddy Smooth Talk comes in tells you the sky is falling and waives a pitcture of an E170 under your nose.

Currently - You can't vote quick enough to try to "get me, mine"

March Second - The ASA pilots loathe and hate you, the race to the bottom has a competitor that makes Dale Earnheart look like the Pope.

The ASA pilots have not changed, the ASA pilots did not break the unity, ASA pilots ( like me ) have done nothing but send your pilots and your causes personal checks to financially support our mutually beneficial quest and now, ASA pilots like me see you as self serving scum. The ASA pilots saw you as brothers, supported one list when you were not growing and you were senior to us - not any more. Your vote makes you a threat to destroy with our harmful votes. Lack of unity is pleasant 'eh?

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[737 Pylt]

Thank you Comair for the mortal precedent. Dangle a shiny new jet in front of pilots = automatic givebacks. I suppose we ASA folks have nothing to aspire to, since you gave it all away. All that hold the line b.s. for nothing. This industry sucks.

I agree completely. We have seen our true enemy, and it is ourselves!
737

 

[surplus1]

Has there ever been ANYONE on here backpedaling as fast as Surplus1 the past few days?

--a formerly concerned regional pilot

I'm slow so forgive me. What do you think I'm backpedaling about? I really don't have a clue so tell me.

 

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I graduated SUMMA cum laude from that university.

We can tell.

 

[jetflyer]

Last time I checked, we're Comair pilots, NOT ASA PILOTS.

I'm glad I'm doing what is right for ALL of OUR EMPLOYEES, even the janitors. I'm glad they and the pilots will be able to keep our jobs from this and have JOB SECURITY FOR THE FUTURE.

We are not selling you out, and sorry you see it that way.

The PROVISION keeping the fleet from shrinking below 199 is too great, and will keep our company from shrinking as aircraft are replaced.

Sorry guys. You need to try to understand and PLEASE respect this as OUR DECISION not yours,

Jet

 

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I'm slow so forgive me. What do you think I'm backpedaling about? I really don't have a clue so tell me.

Your are not slow - we know that You are in what Dr. Laura would call, "an ethical dilemma" and we are astounded to see the Emperor in a thong and shower shoes.

Perhaps he means your complete reversal on :

1. concessionary bargaining
2. predatory bargaining
3. endorsement of ALPA's apartied scope policy
4. buying Buttrell's economic allegation when both ALPA and the Company say that there was no economic analysis of this ever performed
5. crashing the unity between the ASA and Comair pilot groups

I'm thinking this is the beginning of the end for the RJDC. At least a third of the support base is not feeling the same old warm and fuzzy for the integrity of Comair pilots.

 

[jarhead]

post number 127

A Clarification to post #127 on this thread.

I (jarhead) am not a Comair pilot and never have been. I did not post that particular item. I have a son who is beginning his ninth year as a Comair Capt. He did not post it either. My son has my permission to log on under my handle, which he does from time to time to lurk and read the various posts here. I could count on one hand the number of times he has posted under my logon, and he has my permission to do that also.

I know the Comair pilot (the 16 year Comair Capt.) who put up post #127, and I know him personally. He also has no “membership” on flightinfo, and I do not object to him voicing his view here. The 16 year captain is over at the house of my son, the 9 year captain, helping him with a remodeling project of his basement today.

I surmise that while taking a coffee break, the two of them went into my son’s office and read here. That is when #127 was put up here. Many readers here know that I have never been a commercial pilot, and that even if I were, I’m 64 years old and would have been done with it anyway by now.

No harm, no foul. I just did not to not leave an impression that I make it up as to who I am as I go along.

 

[Ward]

Ok ~~~

Given the choices, what would you have us do?

1. Vote this thing down and have the airplanes go to CHQ or Skywest? I for one have no doubt the aircraft will not come here if this is voted down. Why? That would show a weakness on the DAL side which I believe would be totally unacceptable to them.

2. Vote it in and grow to maintain the highest pay matrix (and QOL) that would be enhanced in the future.

Besides, can't this be to your advantage? If this agreement is acceptable to Delta, why can't you demand it?

It's still the highest paying matrix, it has rigs (granted beneficial to only some), 100% deadhead pay (I don't know if you guys have that or not), retirement, I believe the highest per diem at $1.75, and block or actual flight time without a pilot-pushing incentive (from the CHQ contract).

Another thing to think about (not that it would change much), it isn't our contract you should be improving upon. It should have one of MANY since our ratification.

I'm certainly not doing the "happy dance" over this, but it may be neccessary to keep the hardest fighting group around for the next battle.

Ward

 

[av8tor4239]

But helping you WILL HURT us. I wish you could understand that and respect our decision. We're scared of what will happen with a "NO". Put yourself in our shoes.

Once again we're sorry it hurts you, but shouldn't we look out for our pilot group before yours? Please try to understand and let's try to stop the bickering.

Jet

HOLY CRAP.. I think Comair Management kidnapped jetflyer, strapped him to a chair and INJECTED the KoolAid straight into his viens...

HEY JET... I have a question for you.. Were you Scared of what would happen in 2001 when you voted to strike?

 

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Ward: Correct - I would have voted this down. When the RFP airplanes came around we quashed it then and would do the same today.

You guys forget that you are owned by Delta. You are a Delta asset. Delta has the incentive to keep their asset running with up to date equipment. I imagine that Delta could care less about keeping Skywest and Chautauqua in new jets.

Our seven year old contract has 100% deadhead pay, 6% 401K match, and higher of block, or flight time. So we are behind you by $0.25 on per diem and we don't have a look back duty rig. We did pretty good last time we were given "the bar" and I expect we will repeat our performance given our importance to Delta's primary hub.

Hopefully we will not get our own version of Freddie Smooth Talk to scare the bejeesus out of junior pilots while enticing senior guys with shiny E170's.

Maybe it is because you embarrassed your buddy "Fred" during the strike that he shut you out of the RFP airplanes. But more than likely Delta was simply re-aligning operations knowing that Comair would be doing ACA flying and ASA and CHQ would be needed to backfill. But, Comair pilots & management are not making sense.

If your contract is so good and still #1 ( Still the highest cost ) then how is it enough to justify giving you additional airplanes?

I just think you guys have had to go two years without growth ( gasp ) and the lack of 26 year old 1,500 hour Captains has some thinking the world is coming to an end. If you want something to really worry about, take a look at Delta's balance sheet and tell me how they are going to buy anything after this fall. Perhaps they are just getting you fat for the IPO / Relisting.

In either case your vote will not effect the results. Even if the net result is 20 million that is still peanuts in an 1.2 to 1.4 Bn operation. The price of fuel effects results much more. All your vote did is break up the unity between the ASA and Comair pilots.

After we all calm down and a couple of Comair pilots get screamed at in ATL I am sure that the ASA & Comair MEC's will make up. We need unity, so badly that we have to forgive your cheatin ways. The RJDC effort is probably going to die - at least at ASA - because there is no point in a Holy War when you are aligned with infidels.

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[jetflyer]

av8tor4239,

It's a good flavor that promises prosperity and job security and no I wasn't scared.

Jet

p.s. your kool-aid joke had me rolling

 

[jarhead]

HOLY CRAP.. I think Comair Management kidnapped jetflyer, strapped him to a chair and INJECTED the KoolAid straight into his viens...

HEY JET... I have a question for you.. Were you Scared of what would happen in 2001 when you voted to strike?

Anyone who was not "Scared" when casting a vote to strike would be a fool or a liar. It does take courage to put your livelyhood on the line. That said, I recall a greater than 98% vote to strike was cast, with fear and all.

 

[jetflyer]

I wasn't scared.

I came to Comair RIGHT after the strike. What the pilot's did before me was courageous and VERY admirable. I thank them every day. They are the best people to work with at any airline.

Jet

 

[av8tor4239]

If Comair says "NO" you guys at ASA, CHQ, and SKW WILL RECEIVE THESE AIRPLANES LIKE LAST TIME, and your future hard fought "COMAIR-1% contracts" will be worth more.

KOOL AID..

Yes, we at Comair are thinking of ourselves too, because a "NO" vote is scary for Comair's future. Very scary and could be very devastating.

I think this one is Orange KOOL AID

The fact YOU are not supporting us, SAYS A LOT. It says YOU are selfish.
Sorry, we don't want to KILL our airline. Our concerns are for our companies well being and for our futures at Comair.

Here is some grape KOOL AID
.

Which ever way this vote goes, we at Comair are going to do what we think is best for us, not you. SORRY.

No one is asking you do anything for anyone else but yourselves... DO YOU REALIZE you are taking concessions for somthing you as a pilot Have no control over.. COMAIR PILOTS CAN NOT CONTROL GROWTH.. NO PILOT GROUP CAN CONTROL GROWTH.

Here it is one more time for you JET... PILOTS can not control growth... YOur management will tell you you can, but they are LYING TO YOU.. you can not control growth.. you can not control growth

Sorry that you don't understand our situation,
Jet

I understand your situation... you were lied to by your management on the road shows and in emails etc. and now you have taken everything that the comair pilot group has worked so hard for and voted it out the window.. at the same time making it almost impossible for other pilot groups (ASA and Pinnicle right now.. and more to come in the future) to gain a contract that will keep us from becoming MARTA drivers, Amtrack Drivers, or Greyhound Drivers. I think Everyone understands your situation...

 

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I came to Comair RIGHT after the strike. What the pilot's did before me was courageous and VERY admirable. I thank them every day. They are the best people to work with at any airline.

Jet

av8tor4239,

It's a good flavor that promises prosperity and job security and no I wasn't scared.

Jet

p.s. your kool-aid joke had me rolling

Were they doing interviews at "the Academy?" Sounds a lot like someone who applied during the strike.

 

[jetflyer]

Ok shortly after the strike I was hired, within a year.

No I'm not from the Academy, not that there is anything wrong with that

Jet